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Hi Italo,

Le 2020-11-09 à 17 h 52, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
First of all, thanks for the proposals, although most of them are still
focusing on community members and not on end users. Sorry, but the label
must not please community members but educate - or help to educate - the
enterprises who are ignoring the concept of giving back to open source
projects in order to make the projects self-sustainable (in a way or
another, where the another is a plethora of forks backed each one by one
company, which is exactly the model we decided not to implement when we
launched LibreOffice). So, this is not a self-reassurance exercise for
community members, but a product positioning effort.

I find this a little confusing. Your October 26th note to the marketing team read: 

"1. Product Label for the community supported version provided by TDF
(i.e. Personal or Community or other proposals)

Could you explain how "Community" has now been dropped from the list or potential labels?

From the way you describe in the above paragraph, also confusing. So, it sounds like the 
LibreOffice Enterprise version will be the same for all ecosystems companies? 
So, for example, the desktop version of Collabora will be identical to CIB desktop version? As will 
the online version of LibreOffice online?

So, the proposals which can be included in the list are Sophie's
"CREATIVE" and Marco's "STANDARD" and "DESKTOP", as they provide several
options in term of communications. All other proposals cannot be used as
a basis for educating enterprises by exerting some moral suasion, as the
concept cannot be associated to the label.

Also, the name of the product release by ecosystem companies cannot be
decided by community members. Some of the companies use the "powered by"
concept but other do not, and the decision about the product naming is
theirs. This is the reason why there is a LibreOffice Enterprise.
Your October 26 note to the marketing teams read:


3. LibreOffice Enterprise label
2.1 Marketing will collect ideas and suggestions about the use of the
ingredient brand by November 10, and then will summarize them in a guide
2.2 Board will comment, update and approve the guide by November 25
1. LibreOffice Enterprise label
2. Who should use it and where (i.e. just on products, products and
marketing materials, other places)

Also confusing. Were you not looking for opinions with regards to the enterprise label?

I believe that there is a flaw in this approach. I don't believe that you will move people by some 
artificial moral suasion that, should you find it not work in a couple of years, then, to have it 
reopen to try another label. IMO, having a more believable label that fits each group should be 
what the project look to offer. If the label does not signify a sense of belonging to the 
membership but rather hint more that the "real" software to download is that of an ecosystem 
product, then you run the risk of hinting that membership work is being appraised more of lower 
quality. I believe people will hold value more to an open project that speaks plainly to its 
membership. This would not prevent the LibreOffice community to promote and support the ecosystem 
with added value marketing and publicity.

I believe you are giving too little credit to the label "Community" and am a little surprised at 
how fast this label or any other would be dismissed without membership input or vote given the 
parameters given at the outset - to be honest, I would have still suggested "Community" regardless. 
The proof that many organizations have travelled this road is that there is a great amount of open 
source projects where they are supporting their ecosystem partner with "Community" - "Enterprise" 
labels. Searching on "Community" brings back multitudes of hits on these labels ... there must be a 
reason why this there are so many frequent mentions and why it seems to be successful.

The label "Community" should be meaningful to the project membership, but, just as powerful to show 
the quality of project code that is then reused by enterprise companies who manage to create 
income. All done cooperatively.



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