Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Blogging of items on the Marketing List

Hi Marc,

Thanks for your answer.
On 15/01/2013 07:03, Marc Paré wrote:
> Hi Sophie,
>
> First off, thanks for your comments, much appreciated.
>
> Le 2013-01-14 16:33, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> > On 14/01/2013 21:46, Marc Paré wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > The FR team is more than welcome to start their (our) own blog and
> > > marketing team. Nothing has ever stopped us from doing it. Other nl
> > > groups are doing it. But in the meantime, if you read the thread from
> > > Florian, there are plans coming.
> > Sorry to jump here, I'm not a marketer, but I would like to express some
> > ideas:
> > Marc, let me disagree here, it's not about the FR project but about a
> > general way the NL project are seen and the resources that are
> > offered/provided/requested to/by them. I lose 60% of my audience by
> > having my blog removed (that doesn't encourage me to go on of course)
> > but that means also that there is, inside our project, a
> > misunderstanding or a misconception about language representation and
> > their impact on the overall communication on the marketing side.
> > > Taking care of our international EN site is another matter, it speaks
> > > for the project and does not necessarily follow the schedule of other
> > > parts of the project.
> >
> > No, if we don't think to the overall community we are going to lose, or
> > pass by a lot of people, there is no difference between i18n and
> > NLprojects and one doesn't speak for another (or tell me what is
> > happening currently in the Russian project just for example).
> > That's a long time I said that if we settle a tool, whatever the usage,
> > it should be available for the overall community, and not only for the
> > common denominator. We should be equal to all and provide the same
> > resources for all. Otherwise, it's very discouraging for the isolated
> > efforts and it needs to double them at any time to only hope to be
> > visible and more important: to be effective. I know how it's easier to
> > say that we act for what might be the broader audience, but we deal with
> > people for people and they have a lot to say if we let them have a
> > chance to say it. And whatever the language, it's much better than
> > silence.
>
> In fact we are both saying the same thing, however, I believe it's the
> process by which to represent the blogs where differ.

I was not speaking about blogs only, but more on a general approach.
> We have all agreed to the Project's communication medium as being that
> of the language of international-EN. So, in this context, we need to
> make sure that the project should be well served by the tools it uses to
> make sure that we provide it to the outside world as our international
> community voice. This, so far is working with a patchwork of different
> software solutions.

Language is EN as a common denominator inside the project, but the
communication is in multiple languages, the contributions are in
multiple languages. And the patchwork of software used should be seen in
this specific environment.
> That leaves us then to take care of our language communities, which for
> now are not well served. This needs to be corrected, which, judging by
> Florian's notes, assures us that this is forthcoming for both our
> international-EN and nl blogs. If you are talking of putting all
> languages into one large blog of multiple nl posts, there are better
> ways to show our communities' vibrancy than by throwing them altogether
> into the salad bowl and expecting people to pick out the bits that they
> recognize. I for one, do not find it compelling to have to wade through
> many posts of many languages to read something in my language of the
> progress/news of my own community.

You don't feel it compelling, but it has proven to work, lot of people
are able to read several languages or understand the overall idea
expressed. However, I've no energy to battle on this. The most important
would be to have something working.
> As you know, most recently, this was discussed on the FR and the website
> lists and we looked at a particular model that may bring us closer to
> this -- Planet OpenSouse (for those unfamiliar with these 2 threads, you
> have to read through the complete posts to get the complete arguments
> --> [1][2][3]). This, to me, would be a good solution to our blogging
> communities -- however, the only critique I would have of this setup is
> that I would prefer to see our blog readers land on our TDF/LibreOffice
> international-EN blog first and then have our readers go on by choice to
> the nl blogs they prefer. No particular language group would be left out
> as they would not appear as an option unless they asked to be included
> on the group of blogs. If then, the EN community did not decide to have
> their own blog on the list of blogs, then so be it, but at least the EN
> community would have an opportunity to blog for themselves.
>
> Then, this will put us all (nl groups) on the same footing and on the
> same level of importance.

I was talking about the overall approach on the communication tools,
those which are visible/searchable outside the project (wiki, ask,
extensions, etc). We should always have i18n in mind, even when
producing marketing material (no text, so no need to adapt/recreate the
message, see the donate banner for example).

Kind regards
Sophie


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