Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge re: AOO

Hi :)
Yes, the stable vs the pre-release is fairly common.  Would you market a pre-release by saying it's 
only positive point is that it is "stable"?  

The corporates being talked about are the ones whose main aims are outside of software development. 
 Organisations such as hospitals, police forces, government agencies, stationery retailers, 
accountancy firms, travel companies, events organisers.  

LO is already made from a number of different organisations such as openSUSE, Google, Redhat, 
Canonical (and on and on) who are able to get involved with writing code and taking LO in 
directions they want to go in.  

The structure is already quite formalised with those companies being on an "Advisory Board" which 
is able to make recommendations and suggestions to the BoD.  There are restrictions on the 
percentage of people on any of the boards being from any 1 organisation.  All that sort of thing is 
pretty much done already although possibly some paper-work may need to be signed to cement the 
agreements they have made.  TDF is not disorganised and has done a remarkable job of setting-up 
excellently well in a very short time.  

Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 18/6/12, timofonic timofonic <timofonic@gmail.com> wrote:

From: timofonic timofonic <timofonic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge re: AOO
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 12:52

Hello Tom...

Are you a developer? Why using so much analogies? Could you provide
strong facts instead? Please, this is boring and time wasting. It
seems like you only want to be polemical and grow the controversy, but
I hope to be wrong about it. If you say about stable and pre-release
versions, that's a common software releasing way and I don't see your
point here. If you want to discuss the philosophy behind the LO
development model and how to improve it, I think that's a better task
for developers.

I agree about better file format support (I still think a code sharing
alliance with other projects must be done to make things easier), code
efficiency optimization, constantly improving the code quality, more
robust code and more open about expanding the project to other needs.

What would "corporate" want? Well, certain corporations like IBM seem
to want to take the full control of the project in a proxy way (and
form a corporately controlled community over it, just like Sun tried
with OpenSolaris and OpenOffice too). Apache is quite passive in that
regard and they adopt corporate owned technologies like Java, in my
opinion (and they become some kind of low cost subcontracted
organization to manage the development). But other corporations "just"
want an a lot lower cost software that meets all their needs (just as
the Linux kernel is for tons of them) and that's the interesting ones
to join forces with.

Look at Linux Foundation, they managed the equilibrium and still the
kernel is one of the most used pieces of code as basis for tons of
devices from embedded to clusters. Even Linus these days is becoming
grumpy about the years of damaging Nvidia attitude (no hardware
programming documentation, tons of binary blobs and not just related
to their graphics chips...), despite his non-correct political
attitude quite common from the rebel way of the hacker philosophy.

About friendly corporations, I think this must be formalized in a
dynamical and pragmatic way but also with a good set of lawyers. They
must be formal members of the community in a similar way that Linux
Foundation does with corps :)

Regards.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi :)
> The way i see it is that LO always has 2 products.
>
> Lets take LO's equivalent of fine red wine in a market where everyone else is restricted to only 
> being able to produce beer.  LOs strategy is to claim that it's red wine is "low alcohol" 
> (because wine is about 12% whereas whiskey is far higher).  Meanwhile LO is also offering freshly 
> squeezed fruit juice but it never mentions about that until you dig around the back of the shop.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 18/6/12, Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl> wrote:
>
> From: Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge re: AOO
> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 11:21
>
> Hi,
>
> My customers hate (some) bugs as much as I and we all do. Still, they don't dump computers :-)
>
> My customers want better compatibility with .docx, xlsx, and pptx.
> They want a faster Calc, a Base that works, import of Visio, and so on.
> They want a office suite that is preparing itself for the future and faster solving of bugs.
> Guess what they want ..
>
> It seems as if Tom doesn't know well enough what he is talking about.
> Which if course is a pity when he is taking such strong positions on the marketing list.
>
> Tom Davies wrote (18-06-12 11:59)
> > [...]
>
>
>
> --  - Cor
>  - http://nl.libreoffice.org
>
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