Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

Graham,


Le Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:30:35 +1300,
Graham Lauder <yorick_@openoffice.org> a écrit :

> On Tuesday 02 Nov 2010 22:52:31 Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > Le Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:38 +0100,
> >
> > Monfort Florian <florian.monfort@gmail.com> a écrit :
> > > Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:27 +0000, Ian a écrit :
> > > > > I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am
> > > > > French lol ) and I think there are some people who could be
> > > > > interested of being representative for France.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait
> > > > > TDF to be a legal entity ?
> > > >
> > > > Bonjour Montfort,
> > > >
> > > > Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas
> > > > beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement
> > > > pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous
> > > > plaît diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si
> > > > ces e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt.
> > > >
> > > > Merci
> >
> > I think it's perhaps safe to remind everyone that this
> > "certification" is not exactly a Document Foundation certification.
> > First, we're in the process of establishing the foundation; second,
> > we need to be working on a certification programme and I am not the
> > only here, obviously, who thinks it's an essential matter :-) but
> > we need to be working on it and give the time to do that. While I'm
> > sure Ian has a lot of input on this, I would like to remind
> > everyone here that the meeting Ian organizes is not done on behalf
> > of the Document Foundation; as productive as it might be. I would
> > have loved to join myself, but am running out of time.
>
> I think you have missed the point, define "on behalf of"
> Read back over the mails. It seems "on behalf of" to me, not wholly
> of course, because it takes a commercial organisation such as TLM to
> get this established and that has be self sustaining.  SUN wasn't
> selling StarOffice or Java or Solaris "on behalf of" OOo, yet that
> funded OOo.  Novell doesn't sell SLE "on behalf of" OOo yet that
> funds contribution to LibO.  
>
> OOo bureaucracy rejected the opportunity of being involved in the
> INGOTs programme quite a few years back.  The foundation needs
> funding, INGOTs has the infrastructure in place to generate such
> funding.  If we were to sit around waiting for an In House
> Certification Certification the funding that would be generated by
> that (if any after costs were covered)  wouldn't arrive till the next
> decade given the glacial pace of OOo Certs development and the
> certification would probably be out of date and not subject to
> rigorous moderation in any case  The foundation does not and will not
> have the resources to apply rigorous Quality control to such a
> certification in any case.
>
> INGOTs assessment criteria are OfQual accredited, frankly, I doubt
> that LibreO will ever have the clout to achieve anything like that.
> The certification and assessment  programme, because of that
> accreditation, undergoes continuous moderation and Quality Assurance
> by Education Professionals to ensure that it maintains the highest
> Pedagogical standards.
>
> Developers are hard to come by, there aren't the numbers, however the 
> community can come up with a sizable number of people who have the
> capability of becoming INGOTs Assessors/ Assessor Trainers in their
> local areas.  The project  does not need to be working on it's "own"
> certification (not straight away anyway) when a robust, proven,
> rigorously moderated Assessment and Certification programme is being
> handed to the project on a platter. 
>
> Ian and his team have done all the work and have the systems in
> place.  LibreO has the geographical spread and a growing community
> and hence the ability to generate funding for TDF.  What better way
> to fund the foundation than through the efforts of the Community
> running grass roots certification programmes on behalf of their local
> community, on behalf of themselves and INGOTs and "on behalf of" the
> Foundation.
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
> ps: Yes I am biased so sue me.  :)

LOL... All I'm pointing out, Graham, is that we have not yet thought
in-depth about the INGOTS programme. It sure looks interesting, and we
must definitely investigate it, but you surely don't want us to feel
forced? 

Best,

Charles.


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