Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: help ranking what you need :)

On 23.2.2022 16.13, sophi wrote:
> Answering in detail to your request,
> Le 23/02/2022 à 14:13, Olivier Hallot a écrit :
> > 2) Have Machine Translation as a suggestion alongside with Memory 
> > Translation.
> >
> > Today, in Help long strings, I copy&pasta between Weblate and a free 
> > machine translation service (Google, Bing, Deepl, Matecat...) to spare 
> > typing effort especially when weblate memory translation returns no 
> > match.
> >
> > Machine translation served as suggestion forces a second read before 
> > committing translation.
>
> You were in the team meeting yesterday when we discussed it. Before 
> going there, we need to investigate on several topics. Following that, I 
> wanted to open another thread to get feedback on Matecat that you 
> proposed (thanks :). Testing it this morning, I see it covers a good 
> list of languages and several formats. Compared to the others, it would 
> remove the expensive costs of some or legal issues.

I looked more deeply into Matecat now - I never before managed to find 
information about the way it uses machine translation. It looks like 
Matecat itself will not give us any benefits. See these resources:

https://guides.matecat.com/my

"By default, we provide Google Translate API (we pay for it and offer it 
for free to Matecat users). If for any reason the Google Translate API 
is not available, we automatically switch to the Microsoft Bing API."

https://guides.matecat.com/machine-translation-engines

It looks like ModernMT is the system that is associated with Matecat 
creators:
https://guides.matecat.com/modernmt-mmt-plug-in

It is open source, even though it has a higher quality version for 
enterprises:
https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt

Weblate does support it, also with a self-hosted version:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/modernmt.py
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1627#issuecomment-657171205

However, Weblate also supports LibreTranslate, which uses OpenNMT at its 
core:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/libretranslate.py
https://libretranslate.com/
https://github.com/LibreTranslate/LibreTranslate
https://github.com/argosopentech/argos-translate
https://opennmt.net/

Could you please also evaluate LibreTranslate in addition to ModernMT?

Ilmari

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