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Hi :)
I have encouraged a few native-English speakers to join this list with the aim of 
1.  translating from geek or 
2.  smoothing out clunky English phrases that look like translations from other languages

However, since they joined there have been no further requests for individual strings to be re-done 
in English.  We had 'loads' of emails for a month or 2 but then suddenly nothing.  Is there 
somewhere we could look through all the strings that get translated?  

Sadly i didn't manage to get many people to join this time and those that did do not have a high 
level of technical skill with the sorts of systems you find easy.  I was hoping that more of the 
confusing strings would appear in the mailing list and that the technical side would be handled by 
the rest of you.  Still, point us in the right direction and be gentle with us and then we/they 
might be able to help.  

Btw i wasn't clear what was meant by "hermetic" so i looked it up  (even though context made it 
clear what the person meant by it) and got this from wikipedia
No language is truly hermetic.  Even pure maths can be ambiguous.  It's part of the reason we need 
programming languages and things such as wiki-mark-up to communicate with machines.  However, even 
they have moments of confusion or imprecision.  We all just try to do a reasonably good job,  in 
the time available, to make it easier for normal humans to read and we hope that the people 
following after us are able to improve on it if they need to.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: Krunoslav Šebetić <>
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 9:26
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [BUG] Fomula SYD description

On 07/20/2013 06:31 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
Personally, I favour precise and hermetic language. People who need 
certain information will understand; people who don't, they don't care.

That's elitism and is wrong, really wrong.

Precision doesn't mean it has to be hermetic. "People who know how, don't 
need help". Don't you find contradictory to write _help_ in hermetic 
language? I'm not Calc user, but sometimes I do use it - and help which 
doesn't help is worthless.

Bunch of (techno)babble is hard to translate (even impossible 
sometimes), and hermetic _help_ can't really help user who is not 
skilled in English. If you have something which is hard to translate and 
understand in original is something which no one can benefit from.

I know you didn't meant anything wrong, it's just a concern from part 
time Calc user.



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