minutes of ESC call ...

* Present
    + Christian, Stephan, David, Thorsten, Adam, Miklos, Kendy, Michael M,
      Eike, Andras, Markus, Eilidh, Caolan, Kohei, Bjoern, Miklos,
      Michael S, Robinson, Norbert, Jacobo
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + crashtest box - more research (Moggi/Cloph)
        [ calc is working, writer problems can't easily be nailed down,
          have to use multiple processes ]
        [ calc numbers increased a bit - but not as bad as expected ]
    + will try filing a lot of small string changes as easy hacks (Astron)
    + encourage icon authors to put them into git (Astron)
    + fix the Java bridge for MSVC2012 for 4.3 (Stephan/Michael S.)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.3 status
       + looking so/so - reports that Windows / Alpha wouldn't run at all.
          + need to poke at the windows build environment, or a general
            problem with the Alpha.
       + are we past the failing unit tests oddness ?
          + the failing tests are not reproducible in a debug environment
            related to a parallel build (most likely).
          + created a new tinderbox with this baseline, which reports only
            to tinderbox; hitting failing checks.
              + not always the same tests fail.
              + sd/ filters & sd/ import tests, also seen in sc/
          + more data? (Michael)
              + memory ? which exception fails ? which test ?
              + SEGV from 'make' (Cloph)
              
http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/cgi-bin/gunzip.cgi?tree=MASTER&full-log=1399551601.15078
                  + seems to fail on the first line etc.
                  + re-running make passes in the same tree.
         + sounds like missing UNO components ? or dependencies (Bjoern)
               + maybe good to test 20-100 times after the build completed.
               + and if they're fine - its missing dependencies.
           + if you keep running 'make check' on a full-build
              its unstable (Stephan)
               + slowcheck is a bit more stable than a subsequentcheck (Miklos)
           + if suspected with a failing UNO component ? (Kendy)
               + just add a printf
               + Windows tinderboxes do incremental builds and these
                 fail too (Sberg)
                 
http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/cgi-bin/gunzip.cgi?tree=MASTER&brief-log=1399545019.7798#28531
AI:            + turn the SAL_WARN into a fprintf & send to Cloph ? (Kendy)
AI:        + run the 'make slowcheck' 20x from the top-level & report (Cloph)
        + 4.2.x builds with older compiler & Windows version
           + 4.3 VS 2012 + Windows Server 2012
           + 4.2 VS 2010 + Windows Server 2008 rc2
   + 4.3.0 feature freeze:
       + week after next.
 
    + 4.2.4 RC2 status
       + announced today as final, enabled the update too.
       + update was broken
           + none of the 4.2.x was updated so far, until today.
           + discovered the ver. included the git hash there.
           + thanks to report from Michael Stahl.
           + we lean on QA to check this cf. MozTrap ...
AI:            + poke Sophie to query that (Cloph)
       + BlueZ 5 bits get merged.
       + status of KDE4 support ? (Bjoern)
           + 4.2.3 deadlocked under KDE right away
           + best to poke Lubos - requires some KDE patch.
    + 4.1.6 announce / retrospective
       + Update enabled from 4.1.x -> 4.1.6 today.
       + good to see MAB's migrated to 4.2.x - 4.1.x is dead.
    + Android / iOS remote
       + patch for Android Remote for pointer feature,
       + also (re-)adding an About Dialog
           + with version; discussion ongoing.
    + 4.2.4 removed StarOffice XML export (Michael S)
       + bit unexpected
       + bug was around saving calc as old format (Kohei)
           + opted to remove rather than fix / work around.
       + was not added to release notes: we should add it.
           + failing tests - not running; and tests passed
             and back-ported the fix to the -4-2 branch (Kohei)
           + one of the JUnit tests failed recently (Michael S)
AI:    + Add the removal to 4.2 release notes (Cloph)
 
* 4.3 Features Page (Michael)
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.3
    + please update it !
 
* Should we simplify version numbering? (Kendy)
    + So far major.minor.micro, but due to our release plan, all our versions
      are continuous improvements - does it make sense to still keep 'major'?
        [ ie. should we do 4.3.0 -> 5.0, 4.4.3 -> 6.3, etc.? ]
    + Technical POV reasoning for stale 1st version number (Bjoern)
        + used to mean stable ABI
        + agreed - not such an issue these days.
        + technical reason is ABI stability, vague anyway.
    + Agreed, technically no need for it (Stephan)
    + What is the cost of change ? (Cloph)
        + book publishers unhappy with this
    + Scripts - implied dependencies: extensions, versions etc. (Bjoern)
        + potentially extensions break ?
    + update mechanism independent of versions uses git hash (Cloph)
    + download website - not so much of a problem (Cloph)
    + extensions that have a max OO version dependency is
      essentially broken anyway (Stephan)
        + not expecting any problems there.
        + potentially extension website needs work ?
    + user profile: contains only major version '4' (Miklos)
        + some 'migration' / profile migration issues
        + only happened with the 4.0 release.
        + every major version would then require a profile
          migration.
        + either get rid of it and keep '4' as magic forever (Sberg)
    + .so version numbers in libraries - may break (Bjoern)
        + new major .so version # => it costs packagers some time.
        + split packaging, and theoretical inter-package linkage etc.
        + can de-couple .so version from product version (Michael S & Norbert)
    => a reasonably small technical cost overall.
        + we discover that stuff later though (Thorsten)
        + but unfortunate to do this for 4.3, defer to 4.4
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Gran Canaria Hackfest update / report (Bjoern)
        + http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/libreoffice-las-palmas-hackfest-2014/
        + interest in python use with LibreOffice again
        + interested in GSOC students meeting up and/or coming
          from the same area.
        + Achievements in the wiki page:
            https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/GranCanaria2014#Achievements
    + Brazil LibreLogo workshop:
        + http://librelogo.org/2014/05/05/workshop-in-brazil/
    + Paris Hackfest:
        + June 27-28th
        + please add yourself to the wiki:
            + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2014
    + HackFest 'pack' / box / Virtual Machines / etc. ?
        + idea of the Virtual-Boxes is rather good (Kendy)
            + don't want to discourage that.
        + Peli-cases for hack-fests would be cool
            + 1x powerful machine for icecream master & slave
            + fast switch & some ethernet cables, power blocks etc.
        + At Gran Canaria - wifi was somewhat flaky etc.
            + unable to use icecream - no wired connection.
        + Still have hardware to try out (Bjoern)
            + can bring to Paris - some quadro / quad CPU thingit
              (TDF-owned Sun Ultra 24 with Q9650)
            + if we buy new hardware: something like tinderboxes
              we have or ...
            + alternatives (from ebay):
                + refurbished HP DL165 with 24 cores at 1.5K EUR at 1HU/15kg
                + refurbished Lenovo W520s at ~1K EUR each (and plane-suitable)
        + total cost sub Eur 5k
AI:         + add it to the next Board budget extensions (Michael)
                + bit expensive if H/W sits idle rest of the year (Bjoern)
        + happy to have it at his place as a tinderbox the rest of
          the time (Kendy)
        + something that would be permitted to travel with a person
          on a plane (Thorsten)
             + problems getting people to accept that stuff at the
               target location etc. would be a shame to loose it.
AI:     + budget for Amazon VM's for hack-fests (Thorsten)
 
* LibreOffice Conference Call for Papers (Michael)
    + please think of what to submit:
      http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Conference-2014-Call-for-Paper-td4100170.html
        + May 15th deadline ...
    + Adam - paper on interop. status with DOCX and yearly update
    + Caolan - what I did last year
    + Miklos - fixed writer inconsistencies
    + Jacobo - Accessibility bits
    + Cloph - Release engineering
    + Cloph - build / tinderbox setup
    + Stephan - Compiler and Me
    + Eike - mix of things done
    ...
 
* QA (Norbert)
    + NeedAdvice:
        + Font rendering issues in KDE: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59818
            + help appreciated
    + buzilla migration
        + when its good enough will go back to Tollef for a real date.
 
* QA stats:
 
  + Thanks to Tommy for migrating MAB's from 4.1 -> 4.2
 
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +171    -181        (-10 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        tommy27             22
        Foss                16
        Jean-Baptiste Faure 15
        Maxim Monastirsky   13
        Joel Madero         13
        Julien Nabet        13
        Kohei Yoshida       11
        Jorendc              7
        Cor Nouws            7
        m.a.riosv            6
        Caolán McNamara      5
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/2 0/1 0/1 1/1 1/1 1/1
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D75025&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 49/165  18/128 19/124 18/123 24/120 20/112 19/111 20/111 18/104 17/102
     29%     14%    15%    14%    20%    17%    17%    18%    17%    16%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D65675&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Open 4.1 MAB
  + 43/179 76/208 78/208 78/208 79/208 79/206 84/206 85/206 86/204 81/198
     24%    36%    37%    37%    37%    38%    40%    41%    42%    40%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D60270&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 46/207 47/201 47/198 46/197 39/189 38/185 40/185 39/182 39/181 40/180
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression' (vs. 2 weeks ago)
 
    * Michael Stahl added the missing components to the list here,
      and since this causes some change of datum / uplift anyway;
      I also dropped NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED regressions from the stats.
 
    + 318(-5) bugs open of 2543(+32) total
        + these numbers continue to be accurate for the full
          set of all regressions.
 
    + These numbers are thus updated and somewhat incomparable.
 
            ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 85 (+3)
           Spreadsheet - 47 (+3)
               Crashes - 21 (+1)
              Database - 21 (+0)
          Presentation - 21 (+0)
           Libreoffice - 20 (-3)
                    UI - 20 (-7)
               Borders - 15 (+1)
              Graphics - 14 (-1)
               Drawing - 12 (-1)
                 Chart - 10 (+0)
           Print / PDF -  8 (-2)
               Filters -  9 (-3)
            Extensions -  5 (+0)
               Formula -  3 (+0)
            Linguistic -  3 (+0)
          Installation -  2 (+0)
             Migration -  2 (+0)
                 BASIC -  2 (+0)
             framework -  1 (+0)
                   sdk -  0 (+0)
        Impress Remote -  0 (+0)
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
  + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=3Dregression%2C%20&=keywords_type=3Dallwords&resolution=3D---&query_format=3Dadvanced&product==3DLibreOffice&list_id=3D36764

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