[Libreoffice] minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Kendy, Norbert, Stephan, Thorsten, Mitch, Fridrich,
          Andras, Markus, Petr, Caolan, David, Kohei, Eike,
          Lionel, Rainer

* Completed Actions
        + hack up the Help->File bug menu item (Ivan)
                + reviewed & will be in 3.5.1
        + poke website + marketing guys wrt. 3.5 (Michael)
                + no apparent response

* Pending Action Items
        + [slow progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins)
        + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael)
        + review slowcheck patch for tail_build's Makefile (Bjoern)

* Action Items review

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.5.0 status
                + RC2 builds being up-loaded, for announce ~tomorrow
                + deadline for RC3 is Monday ...
                + commits to libreoffice-3-5-0 - needs +2 approvals
                + PLEASE BE CAREFUL :-) +
                        + libreoffice-3-5-0 turns into our ~final release.
        + no real blockers.
        + still plenty of annoying bugs
                + need to release-note lots of them.
        + but fixing rate is going well - thanks a lot !

* Indian localisation issuse / patch (Caolan)
        + happy with the patches, Windows specific issue
        + need another review for -3-5-0
        + no underlying bug lurking here.
AA:     + re-test under Windows and push to -3-5-0 (Andras)

* poor decision to publish tons of interfaces (Thorsten)
        + publishing doesn't change much in practise (Stephan)
        + if it's easy to unpublish it - do it (Caolan)
        + for 4.0 we radically un-publish everything anyway
                + see who screams, and re-publish bits.
        + 'published' just used for documentation
AA:     + do the easiest roll-back possible to cleanup the
          canvas publishing issue in 3.5.0 (Thorsten)

* QA update (Rainer)
        + 64bit Windows build / installer
                + oddness in the 3.4.4 uninstaller, potentially
                  needs an update to 3.4.5 before 3.5.0 install
        + most annoying bugs
                + lots of nominations, without a dep. entry
                + should people first discuss in comments and
                  then add ? or add it with a first comment of
                  the bug# ?
                + just add it (Rainer, Lionel, Petr)
                + the complete history is under the _history_ link
AA:             + update docs / first comment for 3.6 tracker (Petr)
        + regressions
                + tried to find his favorite regressions, that make
                  many people suffer
                        + v. difficult, learned to live with them
                        + mailing list, grumbling but no help
                + collecting a list of major regressions here:
                  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Most_Annoying_Regressions
                        + not many here; find more ...
                + suspicion is that base has a lot
        + link to all regressions:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764

* ODF 1.2 standards compatibility snafu
        + TC discussion ongoing, no clear-cut view
        + guess that things stay as present (Thorsten)

* unit test framework issues (Markus)
        + we are missing an important feature
        + cppunit development appears dead/stalled for 2+ yrs
                + but we support system-cppunit
        + can we not just declare ourselves the new up-stream
          for cppunit (Lionel)
        + requiring an internal cppunit not a big deal ? (Norbert)
                + always internal one for dbgutil anyway (Markus)
        + three options: (Stephan)
                1. always use internal / patched version
                2. there is a cppunit2 in Launchpad
                        + is it compatible ? or even more active ?
                3. re-evaluate whether we need cppunit, or something
                   else: google stuff eg. 'testing framework'
        + looked into cppunit2 (Markus)
                + stopped development at same time ~2009
                + project dead too.
        + prefer our own version, or switch to new framework
          for integration tests (Markus)
AA:     + create new cppunit repository at freedesktop (Michael)
AA:     + import existing cppunit repo into it (Markus (with Kendy))
AA:     + talk to Debian guys wrt. packaging etc. (Markus)

* update on final removal of Env.*.Set pending (Norbert)
        + intention to remove the set_soenv.in perl script generation
        + generate something can be included in a makefile rather than
          sourced from a shell.
        + last few days, got all the way to this point:
                + built Linux, MinGW, MacOS & Windows
        + user perspective, simplified re-building sub-modules
        + easier 'make' commandlines
        + ways to run common scripts with the environment
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Build_in_3.6
        + general cheers & approval.

* 'build', 'bootstrap' repository outcome (Michael Stahl)
        + we're not using it anymore for 3.5 (Petr)
        + RH, and Debian moving / migrating away.
AA:     + branch libreoffice-3-5 or sim., and wipe master with a helpful link (Michael S)

* volunteers & tasks for mentoring Polish students (Michael)
        + Fridrich and Lionel eager to mentor people.
AA:     + get back to them with contacts (Michael)

* Certification - validating companies as L3 (Michael)
        + generally very happy (Norbert)
                + a membership requirement should not be required
        + somewhat subjective (Caolan)
        + potential guidelines for 'L3 developer':
                + only deal with individuals
                + two developers in a company
                + bugzilla, wiki, IRC
                + good developer history
                + at least one easy hack each
                + at least one more substantial bug
                  fix on each component:
                        + writer, calc, impress, base
                + maintained activity over time to keep certification
                + trustedby other developers
                + one git commit account
        + capacity to fix bugs is what we're looking for (Lionel)
                + those are for L1, L2 support

* encouraging exotic filters update (Fridrich)
        + lots of progress on formats & great work from Valek

* mailing list [LibreOffice] header issue
        + out of time / next week ...

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 28 (of 93) open, last weeks: 21/76, 23/71
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1


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