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Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2019-JAN-22 (WED)

Hello all,

I must withdraw my point "First". I was wrong when I thought that the necessity of two separate steps would pose a problem: they are connected by their common index entry.


Am 22.01.2020 um 00:00 schrieb Gerhard Weydt:

Am 21.01.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
Hello all,

the next design/UX meeting is tomorrow, WED JAN/22nd,
20:00 Berlin/CET/GMT+1 resp. 7pm UTC.

Here is the agenda:

  * ALPHABETICAL INDEX: make it easier to index ranges of pages
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130003
    + WFM
The request seems sensible. Taking his example World War I 34-61: You will not find the term on every page, although the subject is present on all these pages. In fact, the request means an extension of the present concept of an index, which shows all pages where the index entry does actually appear; the present situation is equivalent to the result of a search for this term. The request proposes to add some more general terms to the index, meaning that pages are included which do not contain the exact entry, but deal with it. Adding such general terms to an index could be helpful for the reader.
Although, as I said, I deem the request reasonable, I see problems for the realisation.
First: the addition of the checkboxes proposed concerns two separate steps; what happens if one omits the second step?, Or if one starts with the end step? Or intermingles two terms?
Second: R. Green obviously assumes in his cited example that the term "World War I" actually appears on the first and last page of the range he wishes to be displayed. For such a general term this might be probable for the first page, but for the last page I would not expect that the probability is higher than 50 %. Hence one would have to use some trick, perhaps an invisible text as index entry, I haven't tried do that; but if it works, it would be easy to copy that to each of the intermittent pages, thus making the requested extension of the functionality unnecessary.
Third: the cited example suggests another way of adding such entries to the index: creating a general term and then setting markers on the first and last pages of a range, and this should be repeatable: World War I 23-45, 67, 89- 92...
I think that the scenario shown in the last section really would cover the intention of the request, seen as a general concept for Writer, but I have no ideas how to realise that, and I'm not sure if adding such functionality is worth the effort.

  * Add tooltip to explain greyed out "Inherit from" in "Numbering Style" dialog
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129910
    + add tooltip (when disabled) or hide for numbering/page style (see c3)
Agree with your last statement: Greying out is as good a sign for a function not applicable as its absence, but might be easier to achieve. Hence I do not support the request.

  * LibreOffice Options Start Page
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130083
    + do we need a start page?
I simply don't understand.

  * Gray out categories in Navigator, if they have zero instances
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129625
    + WFM since disabling root nodes is very uncommon and prevents interactions (Heiko)
I don't understand the reference to a very complicated text in your last answer in the bug report, but I think a missing plus sign should be sufficient. So I see no need for the request.

  * Show footnotes and endnotes in Navigator
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98005

Full pad including backlog is here:

Hope to see you on Jitsi at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design


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[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2019-JAN-22 (WED)Heiko Tietze <heiko.tietze@documentfoundation.org>
Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2019-JAN-22 (WED)Gerhard Weydt <gerhard.weydt@t-online.de>
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