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Hello Heiko,

Heiko Tietze schrieb:
You answer on the ML without reference to the GDoc proposal where most of the issues should be 
solved.

The proposal is about a new dialog. But I want to show those problems, which cannot be solved by a new dialog.

 Hope I didn't mess up with the approval (everyone is allowed to comment).
And you talk about character style and not paragraph, right?

No, it is not about character style, but all about lists. It is only about our current UI.

 Otherwise it's a bug since ODF talks explicitly about the first.

I do not understand your comment.

Kind regards
Regina


On 04/04/2017 11:02 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi Heiko,

I think there are some things, which need more than a new dialog:

There exists a lot of paragraph styles named "Numbering" and "List",
but they have no connection to the corresponding list styles.

It is possible to set a paragraph style to an outline level and
connect it with a list style. But the list level is not bind to the
outline level. (You need this kind of outline heading, if you give an
appendix an ABC outline numbering and your text has a 123 outline
numbering.)

The numbered items in a text box do not build a list, so that
changing the level of one item will not adapt the other numbers. The
numbering dialog for a text box seems to be the same, but the
position concept is different.

The presentation object "Outline text" has a strange mix of
hierarchical styles, settings for numbering and bullets, but no
"position". You need to set the position in each item individually.
Here too the position concept is different from Writer.

It is very confusing (in Writer), that with the cursor in a heading,
assigning a list style, or using "Bullets and Numbering" from the
context menu, or clicking on the symbols in the toolbar, do very
different things to the heading.

Kind regards Regina

Heiko Tietze schrieb:
Hello all,

we have many tickets regarding numbering & bullets and outlines.
The problem has also a high relevance in the Nantes user
interviews, not knowing the details though.

Good time to think about a different solution:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-6zkZl5LiICnUILhv1CfIHIdyQFyTJKp7XGST5zq5U



The proposal was made having the new area fill style dialog in mind
where three columns make a) the selection from pre- and
user-defined options simple, b) users get a full overview of all
settings, and c) preview shows how it looks in the end. The old
numbering logic is turned upside down a bit making the list styles
predominant as the preset. And since users may not be aware of the
different types, the numbering, bullets, and outline are merged
together.

All comments are welcome- and we should have a design session
eventually.

Cheers, Heiko






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