[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-Sep-03

Present: Aleksi, Eyal, Heiko
Comments: Ady, Jan, Eyal

Tickets/Topics

 * Improve Calc error messages
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172799
   + status bar is sufficient and the errors are not specific anyway (Ady)
   + no excuse to improve (Ben)
   + user-centered feedback is key to usability (Heiko, Jan)
   + agree; a tooltip would be a first improvement (Eyal)
   + good prototype for a solution in Excel and CODE (Heiko)
 => keep the error code in the table and do the annotation solution
    or change the dropdown menu for some with the help on the error

 * Not quitting is difficult!
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173237
   + cancel interrupting the whole save-all-documents procedure seems to be
     standard in other applications (Jan)
   + agree (Eyal)
 => do it

 * Still show some feedback when comments are hidden
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173046
   + some indicator sounds good, could also be bookmark-like (Heiko)
     + see also 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2024/01/12/comments-in-sidebar/
   + the indicator should be similar to the normal symbol (Jan)
   + three states fully visible, collapsed (with some feedback in the document),
     and not at all (Eyal)
   + more than two states would add tedious interaction; some tools > option
     to show have the suggested indicator or not would be okay (Heiko)
     + agree with this (Eyal)
 => do it

 * Offer explicit opt-out of update checks at additional opportunity/ies
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173241
   + the MAR updater implies zero user interaction; works the same on
     other applications
   + do not opt-out on install but when the update is available; maybe a
     choice of always (do not ask again), always ask before, and never with
     'always ask' as the default; alternatively we could show the opt out
     after an update has been installed automatically (Heiko, Jan)
   + privacy is prime; should be ensured before an update runs (Eyal)
   + this option could very well set the initial default for the opt-in/out
     option so users can enable it later (Eyal)
   + agree with the request (Aleksi)
   + welcome dialog would be a viable solution (Eyal)
   + technically a good solution is to show an infobar when the updater
     runs the first time blocking the update until Yes/No has been chosen;
     Yes = never show the infobar again and keep the default, No = uncheck
     Automatic Updates and uncheck Check for updates (Heiko)
 => comment

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