[libreoffice-design] Proposed agenda item: Strategy for increasing likelihood of auto-enabling full RTL-CTL/CJK UI support

I would like to put an item on the agenda for next week (or the week after).

We have a meta bug:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164250

tracking the problem of RTL, CTL, CJK users not seeing full RTL-CTL/CJK 
support enabled by default. There have been several suggestions 
regarding how to deal with this situation:

* A more expansive heuristic
* Switching the default: Enable full support by default, disable it if 
some heuristic determines it is safe/valid.
* Enable full UI support when a relevant document (RTL-CTL, or CJK) is 
edited for the first time.

and - a drastic solution:

* Always enable full UI support for all language groups, period.

Now, this last alternative may be a good idea, but - it's a significant 
change, and I don't remember that we were all in consensus about this, 
as evidenced by all the other bugs being open and seeing some 
discussion. But, beyond that - in the middle of the discussion of 
reservations regarding this change on the bug page of the drastic 
suggestion,

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168719

Jonathan just went ahead and committed this, despite my worrying about 
the UI/UX impact, and how we've not fully mapped out what this affects. 
I argued with him about this action, both because I was sidelined 
personally in mid-conversation, but also because of what I've mentioned 
above: We have a process of UI/UX issues being brought up, 
discussed/brainstormed/percolated on when the relevant action is not 
completely obvious, then finally decided. It's not perfect, and 
sometimes, a design meeting decision can be rushed - but it's much 
better than "first alternative to see a patch submitted is chosen".

So, I think it's appropriate to bring this up in a meeting.

Eyal



On 21/10/2025 16:33, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the design/UX meeting *next week* is
>
> on: Thursday, October/30, 14:00 CEST/GMT+2 resp. 12pm UTC
> at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design
>
> Here is the agenda:
>
>   * UX Improve NB Tabbed UI with textboxes
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168930
>
>   * There is no 'apply changes' to Chart dialog in librecalc
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164658
>
>   * EDITING Spellcheck should work similarly to Thunderbird's
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164390
>
>   * Vertical tabs with GTK3: Not enough vertical space between tab headers
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168637
>
>
> All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https:// 
> bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi? 
> cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=meeting&remaction=run&sharer_id=32942
>
> The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Oct/22. The agenda can be 
> found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/ 
> msg00095.html.
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko


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