Re: [libreoffice-design] Styles - thread on styles vs direct format

On 06.08.25 10:27 AM, Noh Jose wrote:
> As I said, DF of a particular attribute (X) may have been set first, then later, 
> a style is applied. Does the value of the attribute (X) from the style overwrite 
> the value from the value previously set by DF?

No, DF overrules styles.

> If the value of attribute (X) is first applied by a style, does a subsequent DF 
> edit of attribute (X) overwrite the style's value.

Nope, it doesn't. DF is stored individually- and just applied with higher 
property than styles.

> I wonder whether a k-means analysis tool that looks for the closest fit of DF attributes 
> to a style could populate a 'migrate back to a style driven doc' to-do list...

Whether clustering is the right method is a question. But in general such smart 
solutions are welcome as extension. Could imagine a rule-based approach: single 
line + centered |+ font size => heading.
> ...it's just a much lower cognitive load

Sure it is (and I'm not an exception).

We fully support DF but educate styles, at least for larger or often used documents.

> > DF does not clash but overrides styles.

> As I said earlier there will be a clash, in the sense that a decision has to be 
> made about which value to keep.

Nothing is dropped. You can set a character style Emphasis (italic) and bold per 
DF. Clear DF to get back to italic, set CS to Default and you keep bold.
> > I wonder what issues you see regarding styles and DF. Better start off with the 
> > problem, right.

> My only point here is that the facilities (dialogues, context menus, properties, 
> etc) should be the same, whether used for DF or style editing and a minor point 
> about their slickness (modality, positioning, etc)

And we are consistent (as much as possible) with dialogs. But if you pick one 
individual attribute like font weight = bold it can't be the same as CS = Strong 
Emphasis (although the Formatting (Styles) toolbar tries this). What we could do 
is to visualize all features similar to the existing paragraph styles and have 
some way to add-apply and overwrite-apply. Don't think this would be easier to 
understand at all.

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