Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

What if all notebookbar options were separated into individual widgets that could be rearranged 
into whatever order that the user wanted? The standard toolbar does kind of have that all ready. 
The notebookbar could then be applied as the main tool section, additional toolbars, and the 
sidebar, configured by presets and user preference.

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-------- Original message --------From: "kainz.a" <kainz.a@gmail.com> Date: 3/25/18  3:08 PM  
(GMT-06:00) To: Heiko Tietze <tietze.heiko@gmail.com> Cc: LibO Design 
<design@global.libreoffice.org>, Kshitij Pathania <kshitijpathania@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
[libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu 
What's the difference between toolbars, sidebar and notebookbars. They are
different from a dev point of view but from a user perspective they
shouldn't be separate.

So from my point of view no prefix

but as you ordinary don't want to switch the UI often (you have one
work-flow) I'm for a section in the configuration dialog where there is
also some explanation.

In addition the section is the menubar is needed (also for some notebookbar
implementation this drop down list was used).

Add the different layouts into the configuration dialog give also the
information what's a notebookbar and a standard toolbar (the icon size can
be different configured).

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-03-25 21:02 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze <tietze.heiko@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is working
> on issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find
> but we stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this
>
> Toolbar
>    Standard
>    Single
>    Sidebar
>    - separator -
>    Notebookbar > Contextual groups
>    Notebookbar > Contextual single
>    Notebookbar > Tabbed
>
> My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark that
> such a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may look
> like this
>
> UI Layout
>    Standard
>    Single
>    Sidebar
>    - separator -
>    Contextual groups
>    Contextual single
>    Tabbed
>
> Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And
> calling it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about "Standard"
> or "Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes).
>
> I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for
> bad usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any
> opinion?
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
>
>
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