RE: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Roland and all,

Kindly please take screenshot with English as standard UI locale, not
everyone of us have installed/tried such software in the real world.

Thanks,
Rizal Muttaqin
-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Mehrbrodt [mailto:Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de] 
Sent: 07 Desember 2015 14:23
To: Roland Spitzlinger
Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Roland,

sure it's good to have some mockups as a discussion guide, but best would be
if you could work directly on the layout files.
They are created with Glade<https://glade.gnome.org/>. If you need help with
that, please come to the #libreoffice-design IRC channel.

Please keep in mind that some parts of the sidebar's properties section are
shared between apps (Writer, Impress, Draw, Calc).
Also we prefer not to completely redesign the sidebar (and UI in general),
but gradually improve it.

Thanks
Samuel

From: Roland Spitzlinger [mailto:r.spitzlinger@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Samuel Mehrbrodt <Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de>
Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Samuel,

I love to get my hands dirty. Just give me some time and I'll send you some
mockups. Obviously I believe the numbers sidebar is really well crafted,
meaning, I will base my work on that. If that's too close to the apple UI,
please let me know.
Apart from that I tend to follow the excellent elementary
HIG<http://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines/>.

Best wishes,
Roland

Am 04.12.2015 um 14:37 schrieb Samuel Mehrbrodt
<Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de<mailto:Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de>>:


Hi Roland,

thanks for the screenshots.
Is there a chance you could get your hands dirty and try to improve the
sidebar in calc yourself? We could lend you a hand if you like.

Or do you have specific suggestions, what should be improved? If you do not
plan to work on things yourself, it would most likely be picked up by
someone if you break your suggestions down into small, concrete enhancement
suggestions filed in bugzilla.

Thanks a lot
Samuel
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Von: Roland Spitzlinger
<r.spitzlinger@gmail.com<mailto:r.spitzlinger@gmail.com>>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. November 2015 16:05
An: Samuel Mehrbrodt
Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org<mailto:design@global.libreoffice.org>
Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Samuel,

thanx for your reply.
I put the screenshots in the following folder:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5CZFCSGix1ebmx2VlRSZWZkLXM&usp=shar
ing

Please also note the links to the individual screenshots below.

best wishes,
roland

Am 26.11.2015 um 15:46 schrieb Samuel Mehrbrodt
<Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de<mailto:Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de>>:


Hi Roland,

many thanks for your suggestions, they are good points.

Unfortunately this mailing list has stripped off your attachments - could
you please upload them somewhere else and post links to them?

Thanks
Samuel
________________________________________
Von: Roland Spitzlinger
<r.spitzlinger@gmail.com<mailto:r.spitzlinger@gmail.com>>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 23:37
An: design@global.libreoffice.org<mailto:design@global.libreoffice.org>
Betreff: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

hello everyone,

first of all thanx for your great effort!
I have been using libre office for many years and it has improved a lot
since then.

I have been working on user interfaces in the past and I just thought you
might appreciate a few thoughts that could potentially help improve the
libre office UI. In fact, I have done a little comparison of libre office
calc and numbers (osx). Based on that, here are a few suggestions:

divide options into managable groups. do not show all options at the same
time.
instead organize them in sections
work with tabs
avoid strong color contrasts. the human eye isn't made for it.
avoid black on white background, use grey shades instead (dark grey on light
grey is highly recommended) avoid bold text in strong colors such as black
and red avoid colors in general, unless used to highlight something. this
helps the user to focus on the important matters.
only use colors to highlight the current state of a text/cell (e.g. the
checkbox "Tausendertrennzeichen" should be in color if it is active for the
marked cell, otherwise it should be grey) do use colors for color options,
obviously.
combine related buttons in groups (see e.g. the button group "Ausrichtung")
this way the UI is less clustered and easier to comprehend.
hide unnecessary design elements. as we all know, good design is as little
design as possible.
only show indicators when they are actually needed (see the two screenshots
with color option below) avoid additional external formating menus with ever
more options. instead work with tabs and control buttons within the sidebar
framework (see last screenshot below) avoid scrollbars if they seem
necessary, then this is a sign that there is already too much information if
a scrollbar is needed, hide it until the user actually starts scrolling

hope this is of any help. If you have any questions go ahaid.

In any case, thanx again for your effort!

best wishes,
roland


comparison of formating panels:
numbers vs. libre office
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eMkNnNV9qMUtEcW8




While libre office shows all options in one place, numbers breakes them down
into logical and more comprenhensible sections.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eczNSSk8yUFRfeUk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eR0Fyck9IZTFPS1U
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eWG9OUUpnRkNWbnM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eWTB2OGtMUi1ZQ28




color option:
mouse over color option:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1ebnU4M05CZDI5c1E

additional options:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eUnRyM3R5Z0ZYZ0E



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