Re: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Roland,

thanks for the screenshots.
Is there a chance you could get your hands dirty and try to improve the sidebar in calc yourself? 
We could lend you a hand if you like.

Or do you have specific suggestions, what should be improved? If you do not plan to work on things 
yourself, it would most likely be picked up by someone if you break your suggestions down into 
small, concrete enhancement suggestions filed in bugzilla.

Thanks a lot
Samuel
________________________________________
Von: Roland Spitzlinger <r.spitzlinger@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. November 2015 16:05
An: Samuel Mehrbrodt
Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers

Hi Samuel,

thanx for your reply.
I put the screenshots in the following folder:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5CZFCSGix1ebmx2VlRSZWZkLXM&usp=sharing

Please also note the links to the individual screenshots below.

best wishes,
roland

Am 26.11.2015 um 15:46 schrieb Samuel Mehrbrodt <Samuel.Mehrbrodt@cib.de>:

> Hi Roland,
>
> many thanks for your suggestions, they are good points.
>
> Unfortunately this mailing list has stripped off your attachments - could you please upload them 
> somewhere else and post links to them?
>
> Thanks
> Samuel
> ________________________________________
> Von: Roland Spitzlinger <r.spitzlinger@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 23:37
> An: design@global.libreoffice.org
> Betreff: [libreoffice-design] libre office vs numbers
>
> hello everyone,
>
> first of all thanx for your great effort!
> I have been using libre office for many years and it has improved a lot since then.
>
> I have been working on user interfaces in the past and I just thought you might appreciate a few 
> thoughts that could potentially help improve the libre office UI. In fact, I have done a little 
> comparison of libre office calc and numbers (osx). Based on that, here are a few suggestions:
>
> divide options into managable groups. do not show all options at the same time.
> instead organize them in sections
> work with tabs
> avoid strong color contrasts. the human eye isn’t made for it.
> avoid black on white background, use grey shades instead (dark grey on light grey is highly 
> recommended)
> avoid bold text in strong colors such as black and red
> avoid colors in general, unless used to highlight something. this helps the user to focus on the 
> important matters.
> only use colors to highlight the current state of a text/cell (e.g. the checkbox 
> „Tausendertrennzeichen“ should be in color if it is active for the marked cell, otherwise it 
> should be grey)
> do use colors for color options, obviously.
> combine related buttons in groups (see e.g. the button group „Ausrichtung“) this way the UI is 
> less clustered and easier to comprehend.
> hide unnecessary design elements. as we all know, good design is as little design as possible.
> only show indicators when they are actually needed (see the two screenshots with color option 
> below)
> avoid additional external formating menus with ever more options. instead work with tabs and 
> control buttons within the sidebar framework (see last screenshot below)
> avoid scrollbars
> if they seem necessary, then this is a sign that there is already too much information
> if a scrollbar is needed, hide it until the user actually starts scrolling
>
> hope this is of any help. If you have any questions go ahaid.
>
> In any case, thanx again for your effort!
>
> best wishes,
> roland
>
>
> comparison of formating panels:
> numbers vs. libre office
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eMkNnNV9qMUtEcW8
> While libre office shows all options in one place, numbers breakes them down into logical and 
> more comprenhensible sections.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eczNSSk8yUFRfeUk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eR0Fyck9IZTFPS1U
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eWG9OUUpnRkNWbnM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eWTB2OGtMUi1ZQ28

>  color option:
> mouse over color option:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1ebnU4M05CZDI5c1E

additional options:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CZFCSGix1eUnRyM3R5Z0ZYZ0E
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