Re: [libreoffice-design] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Windows look

I'm inclined to disagree with your use of some of those examples.  While
some of the changes made to Gnome particularly make it work better on touch
devices, those devices make up a very small portion of the devices upon
which it is being used so changes such as the enlarged icons, enlarged
title bar and enlarged menu bar don't make too much sense when considering
the market niche in which they are in.  Likewise many would say that
Microsoft ditching a nice looking, usable and relatively intuitive platform
such as its classic desktop with Aero for a gaudily coloured, non-intuitive
on a normal computer workstation environment like Metro was a terrible
decision that might prove to be a worse than the Vista debacle.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Mirek M. <mazelm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Astron,
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Stefan Knorr
> <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > hrm... this voting is quite clear: currently it is at 26:11:2
> > (opaque:partly opaque:transparent).
> > There are two factors that work against the transparency:
> > * Mirek didn't pick the ideal screenshot to illustrate transparency (my
> > view, feel free to disagree)
>
>
> I just took Kendy's shot and made "File" and "Edit" more visible.
> Feel free to make your own mockup (based on Kendy's shot) -- we can have
> another poll comparing that to the winner of this poll.
>
>
> > * Some people might just be very change-averse
>
>
> Please don't use the label "change-averse" -- it's increasingly used to
> justify bad design in spite of consumer backlash. The only time changes are
> worth carrying out in spite of negative consumer response are when a) these
> changes allow the software to evolve in the interest of better usability
> (such as Ubuntu's, Gnome's, and Microsoft's changes to make their software
> work well for touch devices), b) these changes make the software more
> logical/consistent (such as Chrome putting tabs on top or Microsoft
> ditching Aero for Metro on the desktop).
>
> The proposed menubar change is neither of these -- it's purely a cosmetic
> change, and therefore usability and consumer opinion count most. In terms
> of usability, a white background behind the menu bar items would be best
> (whether we go for a "tab" look or a "full bar" look).
>
> > There are two factors of which I have no idea how they factor in:
> > * The people on the G+ page are probably generally rather techy and
> > design-interested, but it can't be said to be representative
> > * It's just screenshots/mockups, nothin with which people can interact
> >
> > Still, I guess, the figures would not change too much even with all
> > factors taken into account (IANAP*, though). How much we want to honour
> > this voting, I don't know...
> > At this point, would it be safer to go back to one of Mirek's earlier
> > mock-ups (at least for 3.6), then?
> >
> > Astron.
>
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