Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons

Hello

> Testing icons does not mean let the users design them. I agree that users
are
> not the right people for designing icons. I was referring to the
discussion of
> using 'a' or 'A' or 'i' or whatever. My advice would be to design all
possible
> icons and see which work best for different users with different cultural
> background.

I did not say that we would let the users make the icons, that would just
go bad. we are the designers, we should be the ones making the decisions.
I'm fine with asking some user what they think about a big batch of icons
but its just more bureaucracy that we have to go through to get something
done that should not take that much time.

> Perhaps you should try to find some more careful words here. If you think
LO or parts are 'crap' you should perhaps keep that to yourself. It is not
> encouraging for anyone who has been involved in the past and did the best
> possible in the given circumstances, if anything in this context is called
> 'crap'. Times and fashion has changed and it is good to keep every part
of LO
> up-to-date, including the icons.If this is what you mean - I would agree
to
> it.

I realise that someone had made this current UI, and that what I said could
be offend them. But the UI that we have now is many years old. I'm sure
that when it was made the UI was awesome, but as you said times have
changed and now what used to look good nolonger does.

> The normal user (aka the vast majority) does not read nor comment on
> OMG!Ubuntu. So I would be careful about any generalization based on
comments
> on a(ny) webpage.

True but these are out spoken users that like the change and we should take
their comments just like we should take anyone else's. Your looking for the
every users opinions, well that's going to hard to get because they are not
talking.

> Please be aware that we have (probably hundereds of)
> millions of users in LO varying in technical, cultural, social and every
other
> persepctive you can even think about. So getting a good feedback from
these is
> a non-trivial task. And in any case not beeing done by publishing on
> OMG!Ubuntu.

If you thinks that you can get ther perspective of all those users, then by
all means go ahead. But I'm saying that it will be a big waist of time,
because even though I am generalizing this. The users do not care.

> See, you are disagreeing with the 'crap'-thing yourself.

No I actually care very much what the UI and the icons look like (other
wise I would not be on the design team). But one of my friends does not
care about what it looks like now.

> If it is working, it cannot be crap.

No teminal and M$ dos are very powerful and work this does not mean that
they are the greatest things to look at. This is the reason that so many
used computers until they had UI's. And when the iPhone/ipad came out there
was a ginormous very sudden
> And if it is working we need to be very careful to actually
> improve things. Not everything new is automatically better as well.

> Summing it up: Do not take the integration into teams too easily. Next to
the
> obvious teams, like developers, translation or marketing, it should be
our job
> here to not loose the user-team, but to strongly integrate it into the
> development. So again: I am not going to do it myself, but I am willing to
> support anyone who really wants to go the way to involve users into the LO
> development. Simply ping me :)
>
> Happy easter!
>
> Björn
>
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