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Im not saying that it is not possible to make the new suites and update the
desktop UI all at once.  im saying that the desktop UI is more important
then these new suites and that it will never happen. I know that these new
suites are going to take a lot of work into making them run. some of our
code can be reused and some will need changed a little to work for theses
new devises but it will still take the attentions of the dev team to a place
that they need not be. if they start working on new projects then I fear
that the desktop UI will never be changed for the better.  we will have
three different possible UI's that all work nothing alike, which will just
confuse and frustrate the users, leading them to stay with
the propitiatory alternative. God forbid that the new Web and tablet suites
have the same UI as we do now.  if it stays the same then we are DOOMED
until it changes.

you say that if we do not act now that we will be marginalized. we are
already marginalized with our desktop suites. no one wants to use
LibreOffice to create documents. that take a look at it and ask why do you
have Micro$oft Office 2003 installed on your computer, you need to upgrade
your software. Like I said we have the better office suite, it just looks
like crap. once the software looks good enough for people to start noticing
it, they are going to want to use it. Micro$oft Office desktop is from $149.99
- $499.99 on the iphone it is $9.99 - $14.99. iwork desktop is *$79.00* and
on the iphone it is $10 for each app. we are going to pervide much better
FREE!!!! alternatives then they ever will. at first we will be marginalized
but it will not take long for people to see what we have to offer them.

once again until the UI changes we are DOOMED and will stay marginalized as
we are now.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:46 PM, planas <> wrote:


On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 22:11 -0400, Andrew Pullins wrote:

Okay, so I found out the other day that we are looking into making an
office suit like Google docs and an android/iOS App of LibreOffice. This
nice but there is one problem... our desktop programs still needs a lot
work! Why are we spending the time making completely new Office Suits
the main application that people are going to create documents is still
going to be on the desktop. Now I know that they said that it is supposed
come out at the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013 but unless there is a
overhaul on the desktop edition then it will out shine the current suite.
there any push to making a new UI for the desktop. It seems as though
and I are the only ones that are even interested in making the damn thing
look good.

LibreOffice has come a long way since I first downloaded OpenOffice many
years ago. It is faster, there are less bugs, but it still looks like
If the UI does not change soon(as in two years ago) there is no point in
doing any of this. the banners, web design, icons all of the this stuff
the design team do for the suite is all pointless unless people are
attracted to the Office suite and want to use it.

We have a better Office Suite but it looks like crap right now, and
won’t give it a second glance because of this even if the suite is free
not. We need to get the Dev team working in our direction, if we don't
will just keep fixing bugs and adding feature that no one will even know
there because its hidden in the background under some menu that no one
bothers to look through.

It is my belief that this should be our one and only goal for the
months. Very little should be done to LibreOffice until the New UI is
implemented. As of right now I think that we should be looking at Mirek's
"Citrus UI" as it is the most complete, looks good, and once you get it
work better than anything that I have ever seen. Every single bit of
software should work like Citrus.

While UI issues are important, we need to address the Android/iOS market
or risk being marginalized in the long term. Also, there is no reason
that we can not work on both the desktop UI and other versions.

Jay Lozier

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