Re: [libreoffice-design] Extra-large 'slide design windows' in Impress - Possible Usability Issue

Hi Christoph,

Issue 38299 has been created @
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38299

> personally I found the Impress behavior to not "mis-use" the vertical
> scrollbar more logical.

I agree with you on this. I feel that if a vertical scroll bar is present in
the Slide view then the Up and Down keys should scroll rather than flick
through slides. This is why I was proposing to remove the Vertical and
Horizontal scrollbars from the Slide view (at the default zoom at least - I
reckon zoom is very rarely used in Impress) by having the Slide window sized
to fit the slide with maybe 100 px of padding (as Powerpoint have done).
However, in section 1.2.2 on Scrollbars in the Slide view, the OOo team have
made the decision to remove the horizontal scrollbar but under vertical
scrollbar it says "TBD". Personally, I hope they took the decision to remove
the vertical scrollbar since in section 1.6 they have determined that the up
and down key should, in fact, change slides when used in the Slide view. It
would be unnatural to have a scrollbar present and not have the arrow keys
control it

Thanks for your help on this,
Patrick

On 13 June 2011 20:29, Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> thanks for you mail!
>
> Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 17:56 +0100 schrieb Patrick Scott:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a lot more experience with Powerpoint 2007 than I have with LO
> > Impress. One of the habits I brought from Powerpoint was flicking through
> > slides while in design mode by pressing the Up and Down arrow keys. I
> > immediately noticed that this doesn't work in Impress because the arrow
> keys
> > are used to scroll up and down in the slide design window. That led me to
> > ask the question; why is there a huge amount scrollable white space
> > surrounding the slide in the Impress slide design window? In Powerpoint
> the
> > window is 'fitted' to the slide but in Impress there is roughly 800
> pixels
> > of empty padding to the left and right of the slide and there is about
> 300 -
> > 400 pixels of empty padding above and below the slide. I was considering
> > filing a bug for this because I think it would be helpful for Powerpoint
> > converts to abolish this empty space and free the Up and Down arrow keys
> for
> > cycling through the slides. However, I thought it might be better to ask
> the
> > question here first since I don't know the functional reason why this
> space
> > exists or whether it's necessary.
> >
> > Impress experts, what are your thoughts on this? Is this worthy of a bug
> > report?
>
> The behavior of both PowerPoint and Impress has its high- and lowlights
> - personally I found the Impress behavior to not "mis-use" the vertical
> scrollbar more logical. Hehe, and I just noticed a really weird issue:
> try to zoom out (e.g. 20%), then up/down jumps between the slides.
>
> However, we know that Impress behaves bad ... so the OpenOffice.org
> Renaissance project (driven by Sun/Oracle) addressed those issues. I
> thought these changes were already available within the recent
> LibreOffice builds.
>
> Here is the specification "Slide View, Preview and Sorter Rendering"
> that talks about keyboard behavior in section 1.6:
> http://specs.openoffice.org/renaissance/slide_view_sorter_and_preview.odt
>
> It would be great if you could file an issue for that - both referring
> to that specification and asking for a check whether these Renaissance
> changes have been included (OOo CWS name "Renaissance1", OOo issue
> 107211).
>
> I hope this helped - at least a bit...
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
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