Hi SteveYou're right! I'd never given that little anchor a second thought. I'd always thought what's that and then forgotten about it.
After a little experimentation - I've seen the Anchor point move from the bottom of the graphic I have in a document to the top. It was originally outside the page margins on the left and I moved it inside the page margins. If I click on the Anchor it then goes back to the bottom left.
I've figured out how you anchor it to a page using the Right Click. It's got options I've just ignored in the past because I had no idea what they did.
We need a scientific approach to solve this problem and I wonder if working with a sample document with graphics that exhibits typical problems might be a good place to start. it can then be passed around for feedback on potential solutions. If you think that is a good idea, I'll make up the sample and pass it to you.
Cheers Phil Jackson On 5/16/2011 7:58 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
Hi Phil.When I click on a picture in LO a little square with an anchor shows up to show the anchor point. If you are fairly sure that the pictures will not be required to stay with text that may move over page boundaries with editing, anchor to page can fix different shaped pictures in place.The old lotus wordpro enabled you to move the anchor without moving the picture and set it where you wanted it, the picture then stayed relative to that anchor. You could set the anchor point for say 3 images to the same place and then the images stayed relative to each other.I don't think LO has a bug in this respect, it just doesn't work as well as it might.steve On 16/05/11 5:31 PM, Phil Jackson wrote:Hi SteveI wasn't aware of the anchor points and using a table with lines not visible but I also think you've got a good handle on what is happening with your description below.I had assumed what the user saw ( i.e. the pictures) was all that was involved but I can sort of grasp that the anchor points make it more difficult - like moving furniture around your living room, not knowing that each item is tied to something else.I've tried your approach with a borderless grid and it seems relatively straightforward and I think this approach can resolve some issues.Do you think that showing the anchor point could have some benefit? It could at least make the process more transparent so long as users understand the relationship and this might mean having some detail on screen that appears when moving pictures or is obviously accessible.The more difficult situations occur when the pictures you want to place together are all of different sizes. Having a table or something similar for each individual one may be a useful.This particular thing doesn't happen often - in fact it is more likely to come up when my boys are doing school assignments. But any simpler intuitive approach would be appreciatively received.Cheers Phil Jackson On 5/16/2011 4:57 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:Hi Phil. I haven't fully grasped what your trying to achieve so not sure exactly the best suggestion. Try creating a table with border lines not visible. I do this to have set grid patterns of pictures. You can place images in a frame and anchor them to the frame, and then move them as one.I also find that if you place images anchored to page you can place themanywhere. I might have put you wrong with no wrap and meant wrap in background. The main thing is not to have any anchor points in reflowed text. Moving pictures and anchor points still needs polishing in LO. Depending on how you anchor the image it can move with anchor point movement but also moving the picture can change the anchor point when you don't want to, and it is hard to set the anchor point for an image to stay with one paragraph. You move an image, that reflows the text,other anchor points move, then other images move and you struggle to getit back to normal. steve On 2011-05-16 11:45, Phil Jackson wrote:Hi Steve I wasn't aware of that setting - that could be useful when pasting. What about when pictures are moved around? I 've tried it several times myself and the hidden rules that govern how pictures can be moved seem to have a mind of their own. It's possible that a grid approach as put forward below may provide a more workable solution as it sets boundaries for individual images. When there is a collection of images, I can appreciate how difficult it is to manage programmatically. A grid would allow cropping and placement control, knowing that the manipulation of one picture isn't going to upset the location of other pictures. It should be possible to drag picture between grid cells also. This could be an alternative method for users who know precisely what they want to achieve. Cheers Phil Jackson On 5/16/2011 11:14 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:On 2011-05-16 10:07, Phil Jackson wrote:10) Pasting Pictures so that they don't jump around unexpectedly when you have many pictures on a page and you move one.This is one major bother for me, too. This might be pretty hard to solve..?I've got some ideas on this which involve having some sort of wire grid and pictures get pasted optionally into cells in the grid. It's as if each grid cell is a Window and the graphic can be moved aroundinside the grid but doesn't get displayed outside it. It would need asimple grid designer to set the rectangular areas into which a userwill place images. The grid lines will be able to be moved to enlargenor reduce the area of individual cell areas.Hi. If the default when pasting a picture was "No Wrap" then it shouldn't disrupt the position of other objects when you insert a new picture. steve
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