Re: [libreoffice-design] First Post - members particularly interested in Usability

Hi Steve

I wasn't aware of the anchor points and using a table with lines not 
visible  but I also think you've got a good handle on what is happening 
with your description below.

I had assumed what the user saw ( i.e. the pictures) was all that was 
involved but I can sort of grasp that the anchor points make it more 
difficult - like moving furniture around your living room, not knowing 
that each item is tied to something else.

I've tried your approach with a borderless grid and it seems relatively 
straightforward and I think this approach can resolve some issues.

Do you think that showing the anchor point could have some benefit? It 
could at least make the process more transparent so long as users 
understand the relationship and this might mean having some detail on 
screen that appears when moving pictures or is obviously accessible.

The more difficult situations occur when the pictures you want to place 
together are all of different sizes. Having a table or something similar 
for each individual one may be a useful.

This particular thing doesn't happen often - in fact it is more likely 
to come up when my boys are doing school assignments. But any simpler 
intuitive approach would be appreciatively received.

Cheers

Phil Jackson




On 5/16/2011 4:57 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Hi Phil.
> I haven't fully grasped what your trying to achieve so not sure exactly
> the best suggestion.
> Try creating a table with border lines not visible. I do this to have
> set grid patterns of pictures.
> You can place images in a frame and anchor them to the frame, and then
> move them as one.
> I also find that if you place images anchored to page you can place them
> anywhere.
> I might have put you wrong with no wrap and meant wrap in background.
> The main thing is not to have any anchor points in reflowed text.
>
> Moving pictures and anchor points still needs polishing in LO.
> Depending on how you anchor the image it can move with anchor point
> movement but also moving the picture can change the anchor point when
> you don't want to, and it is hard to set the anchor point for an image
> to stay with one paragraph. You move an image, that reflows the text,
> other anchor points move, then other images move and you struggle to get
> it back to normal.
> steve
>
>
> On 2011-05-16 11:45, Phil Jackson wrote:
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > I wasn't aware of that setting - that could be useful when pasting.
> >
> > What about when pictures are moved around? I 've tried it several
> > times myself and the hidden rules that govern how pictures can be
> > moved seem to have a mind of their own. It's possible that a grid
> > approach as put forward below may provide a more workable solution as
> > it sets boundaries for individual images.
> >
> > When there is a collection of images, I can appreciate how difficult
> > it is to manage programmatically. A grid would allow cropping and
> > placement control, knowing that the manipulation of one picture isn't
> > going to upset the location of other pictures. It should be possible
> > to drag picture between grid cells also. This could be an alternative
> > method for users who know precisely what they want to achieve.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Phil Jackson
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/2011 11:14 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> > > On 2011-05-16 10:07, Phil Jackson wrote:
> > > > > > 10) Pasting Pictures so that they don't jump around unexpectedly
> > > > > > when you
> > > > > > have many pictures on a page and you move one.
> > > > > This is one major bother for me, too. This might be pretty hard to
> > > > > solve..?
> > > > I've got some ideas on this which involve having some sort of wire
> > > > grid and pictures get pasted optionally into cells in the grid. It's
> > > > as if each grid cell is a Window and the graphic can be moved around
> > > > inside the grid but doesn't get displayed outside it. It would need a
> > > > simple grid designer to set the rectangular areas into which a user
> > > > will place images. The grid lines will be able to be moved to enlargen
> > > > or reduce the area of individual cell areas.
> > > Hi.
> > > If the default when pasting a picture was "No Wrap" then it shouldn't
> > > disrupt the position of other objects when you insert a new picture.
> > > steve


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