Re: XML based UI? (was: Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?))

Hi Scott,

you get a "phew" from my side ;-)

Am Freitag, den 29.04.2011, 13:18 -0600 schrieb Scott Pledger:
> The more I look at the source code for vcl, the more I am beginning to
> dislike it.... And I'm looking at some of the other XML-based UI languages
> available and none of them really seem adequate to describe any kind of a
> major UI overhaul that would keep LibreOffice up to date with other office
> suites....

Personally, I don't know how much changes we'll need to really need to
get some initial improvements ... und (finally) be up-to-date.

> So here's just a general idea I've had on XML layouts for quite a while -
> let me know what you think!

[...]

> and in the compiled code, one might see:
> Dialog promptdialog = new Dialog("promptdialog.xml");
> ((ButtonWidget) promptdialog.getById("okbutton")).onClick() = new
> function(){
> /** Handle clicks here **/
> };

You clearly outperformed me in terms of code understanding ... ;-)
Although I wrote simple code snippets ages ago, I'm not able to
understand whether this will work for us. Here I think, it would be
better to address the developers. Or, we may sketch some improved UI and
then we can look at it to say "will work", or "needs improvement". But
that's only me ... maybe the others can have a look at it.

> and that would basically be it.  Any thoughts?

My current thought is, that it's great to have someone who better
understands the rationale for this/that in the code - that always helps
to build bridges between the teams. That's indeed cool!

> Yours Truly,
> Scott R. Pledger

Cheers,
Christoph

> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:11, Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi Kohei, hi Scott!
> >
> > Kohei, thanks for the helpful information here ... great that you're
> > listening here (especially since I know your workload...)!
> >
> > Am Freitag, den 29.04.2011, 10:25 -0400 schrieb Kohei Yoshida:
> > > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 23:15 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote:
> > > > Is there any chance of implementing any kind of an XML-based UI
> > template?
> > > >  Something similar to XUL may be a good place to start...
> > >
> > > We don't have any concrete vision of what the VCL replacement should
> > > look like, but making UI definition files XML-based is surely a sane
> > > approach.  In fact, when we attempted to replace it at one point, we did
> > > use an XML-based UI definition format.  Some of these files are still
> > > around in the code base though we are on their way out.
> > >
> > > So, yeah, XML-based UI definition format is very likely.
> >
> > As far as I know, there have been several attempts to solve this issue.
> > For example, at the OOoCon 2010 I attended a presentation related to XML
> > based UI declaration ...
> >
> > http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/199
> > (see also the presentation download)
> >
> > Sun/Oracle also thought about that ... during my visit in Hamburg early
> > 2010, we discussed how e.g. toolpanes might ideally behave - some
> > improvements about what we have today. Here, "ideally" mainly refers to
> > its technical behavior to detach/attach them anywhere. In this
> > discussion, XML based UI stuff was mentioned as well. Here is the blog
> > post - no technical relevance, but maybe interesting:
> >
> > http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2010/01/ux-meeting-in-hamburg-day-two.html
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> > PS: You may have noticed that my availability is a bit bad at the
> > moment ... so sorry for not commenting the other threads at the moment
> > "in time".
> >
> >
> > --
> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org
> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
> > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/
> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
> > deleted



-- 
Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted