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Personally I don't mind really.
OK it's nice to be consistent with the desktop but you can't please every
single desktop standard right ?
I would rather see a Libreoffice look than a KDE or Gnome one, as long as
the UI is fresh and efficient :)

-- Cyril Arnaud
On Apr 26, 2011 4:51 PM, "Scott Pledger" <scottpledger2005@gmail.com> wrote:

Purely out of curiosity, how many people here prefer that the user's

default

environment theme (GTK, Qt, etc.) be applied to LibreOffice versus how

many

would rather see LibreOffice get its own look independent of the desktop
environment?

Yours Truly,
Scott R. Pledger


On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:06, Scott Pledger <scottpledger2005@gmail.com
wrote:


Thanks! One additional notion that I've had for it is to have any
extraneous popup windows be displayed as part of the menu hierarchy. For
instance, the current Insert > Frame dialog box would be shown such that

it

is a part of the menu itself. I haven't sketched this out yet as I

haven't

had time, but essentially the premise is that it would be embedded inside
it. That way, the application does not feel as fragmented, but it has a
much more fluid feel to it. Let me know what you think!

Yours Truly,
Scott R. Pledger



On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:43, Cyril Arnaud <cyril.arnaud@gmail.com

wrote:



I depends if you want to save vertical space or horizontal space.
Since most of the screen nowadays are wide screens, we have extra
horizontal space, so we should save as much vertical space as possible.
Therefore I think the menu on the right is indeed a good idea.

-Cyril

On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 18:02 +0200, Christopher Stark wrote:


I think a Tabs-Function for all
open documents would be especially nice!The right
column for special functions seems to be a good Idea

too.Personally I don't like the Menu panel on the right side in that

example. I think menus should stay horizontally on top of the
gui.Best RegardsChristopherOn 4/26/2011 5:19 PM, Scott Pledger

wrote:This is actually very close to the design I'm currently working on

for

LibreOffice and, indeed, partly its inspiration. Much of the

difference

between the implementation of Lotus Symphony and my design is that

Lotus

Symphony's side bar does not constitute of panels which change based

on

what

the user has selected.


The overall design concept is copied below from my original posting to

the

design mailing list:


*
I've had this idea for a while now and I wanted to see what everyone

here

thought of it, so here it goes!


Its based on two simple premises. First, I noticed that monitors are
getting wider but the documents we type up are still vertically

oriented.

Secondly, I find floating toolbars to be extremely cumbersome. So I

decided

I'd try to tackle both of these issues in a simple, easy-to-use

manner.

Attached to this email is the concept that I currently have (or at

least

the beginnings of it). So, here's my plan:


1. Have a single toolbar at the top that contains actions that can be
used no matter what application you're using.
2. Move any additional toolbars to the right hand side and organize

them

into groups based on what the user currently has selected. So let's

say

you're editing a Writer document and you have some text selected that

is in

a Table. You would have 3 primary categories (at the top of the

right-hand

part of the screen): Document, Table, and Text. 'Document' is always
present and handles document-wide settings. Table might contain
subcategories of Row, Column, Cell, and Display. All of these would

contain

toolbar items to modify aspects of these subcategories. Text then,

might

contain Font, Paragraph, and Section as subcategories. And so on and

so

forth. I also had the idea that hovering over a primary category or

a

subcategory might emphasize what would be affected in the main

document area

by shading everything else, but I also know that that would not be a
necessity. For the purposes of the design, this right-hand area can

be

called the context tool panel.
3. Move the menus to the left-hand side, placing them above whatever

is

typically the left side of any given LibreOffice application.

(Impress/Draw

-Slides, etc.). Clicking one of these would then cause a panel to be
displayed categorizing items in the same manner as the context tool

panel

which would contain the different actions the user can take.
4. Possibly: Allow for LibreOffice to run everything from a single

window

by having a tab row at the top of the screen. (I'm still not sold on

this

idea, so let me know what you think.)


When it came to actually designing this new layout, I tried to pull

from

the

current LibreOffice icons as much as possible, mainly because I think

they

are absolutely awesome!


Also, I do want to be forthcoming - I'm no UX or Design professional.

I'm a

Computer Science major in the US, but I think that this kind of layout

can

not only give LibreOffice one of the most unique and (in my mind)

usable

User Interfaces on the planet, but I also think that it can help

LibreOffice

to be the very best office suite on the planet.
*


The aforementioned attachments can be found here:



http://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.pdfhttp://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.odgYoursTruly
,

Scott




On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 16:48, RGB ESrgb.mldc@gmail.comwrote:2011/4/26

Cyril Arnaudcyril.arnaud@gmail.com:Most user I encountered (not that
much, so there is no statistics behind

this observation) are doing fine because they look around, search,
experiment. But some users are "afraid" of searching, testing.
That's why I find the Symphony's UI interesting. It's shiny, you are
more eager to play with it.Writer, for instance, is not an app that

you

can learn by trial and

error: you need to sit down for a while and RTFM ;)
But even if the interface could be improved and the learning curve
lowered, it is also true that "trial and error apps" are useful only
for simple tasks, and for simple tasks you can use abiword.
You cannot please everybody. And you cannot drive a jet the same way
you drive a bicycle. So the options are mainly two: to give "normal"
and "power" users two different apps, or to build only one app but
with two different UI.
I think that ooo4kids is starting to work on the second possibility.
Cheers
Ricardo


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