RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

Hi,

Just a thought. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the background be the primary color of that 
application. For example, the Writer would have a blue tinted background with a shadow (I like the 
shadow on all sides), and Impress would have an organge tinted background with the same shadow 
around the slide. This should help tie in the color theme and help build on a general motif.

-Daniel Merker

-----Original Message-----
From: Sébastien Le Ray [mailto:sebastien@orniz.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:01 PM
To: design@libreoffice.org
Cc: jaronbaron@gmail.com; Andrew
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

Le Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:44:21 -0500,
Jaron Kuppers <jaronbaron@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> I like both ideas but lean towards Andrews suggestion.
>
> I would like to instead propose a different approach but perhaps from 
> a coding perspective it would not be an "easy hack."  There was 
> discussion over the years on the OOo list about changing the 
> background from the dull gray to something more upbeat.  Perhaps the 
> 'shadow' could be integrated into a new customization feature that 
> allows the user to change the background and the shadow.
> Unfortunately, I can't recall how difficult this is... (I seem to 
> recall some large problem in the code that made this difficult, but it 
> may have been an issue).
>
> Cheers,
> Jaron
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Andrew <rugby471@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 04/03/11 07:42, Sébastien Le Ray wrote:
> > > Le Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:35:11 +0100, Christoph Noack 
> > > <christoph@dogmatux.com> a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Hi Sébastien, hi all!
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > > Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 14:16 +0100 schrieb Sébastien Le
> > > > Ray:
> > > > > Le Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:59:19 +0000, Michael Meeks 
> > > > > <michael.meeks@novell.com> a écrit :
> > > [...]
> > > > Although I didn't see it yet, thanks for your work - I'm really 
> > > > looking forward.
> > >
> > > You can find a screenshot on
> > > http://misc.orniz.org/libreoffice/lo-shadow.png book mode is also 
> > > handled nicely...
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >
> > > > However, I'd like to provide some pointers to the Notes stuff - 
> > > > it's really worth spending some time digging through some of the 
> > > > descriptions (in my point-of-view). I think this is better than 
> > > > pre-process most of the stuff, since I'm unaware of your likings 
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > The notes main wiki page (Notes2 because of the CWS that time):
> > > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2
> > > >
> > > > Here are the links to the detailed designs that had (sometimes) 
> > > > to be adapted due to technical constraints nobody spent the time
> > > > for:
> > > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2#Status_and_Propos
> > > > als
> > > >
> > > > And once finished with the default stuff, we have lots of further
> > > > ideas: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Notes2_OtherIdeas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I've already spend over one year with the Notes 
> > > > project being the UX representative, so I'd like to work with you 
> > > > on that - if you like :-)
> > >
> > > I'll be pleased to :) It'd be nice to have a "UI tasks" on 
> > > libreoffice wiki presenting all tasks that are ready on a Design 
> > > point of view but that have not yet been implemented.
> > > There is a lot of stuff on the Note2 wiki page, could you give 
> > > priorities on various items?
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > If you are generally interested in working on Usability / Visual 
> > > > Design topics (of course, from the developer's point-of-view - 
> > > > and we really need some understanding and support here), feel 
> > > > invited to subscribe to the Design Team mailing list - some more 
> > > > information can be found here:
> > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
> > >
> > > Subscribed yesterday :-)
> > > It seems that you've been busy with more "marketting" stuff that 
> > > UI design lately to cover the launch of LO, FOSDEM and funraising
> > >
> > > Waiting for you priorities & mockups on notes work :-)
> > >
> > > Sébastien
> >
> > Hi All and Sebastien :)
> >
> > Regarding that patch, I think that what we have in that screenshot 
> > is a definite improvement, but I feel we could do better, and 
> > hopefully without a lot more work.
> >
> > If you look at the mockup I attached to the bug report, I feel this 
> > looks a lot more modern and professional.
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=39920

Pretty interesting... I first implemented the "4 borders" shadow but every people I show it said 
"it's strange, the shadow should be only under two borders".

> > I feel if instead of having that shadow aligned to the bottom left, 
> > instead it is centred on the page, and we have a slightly larger 
> > blur radius we can make it look a lot better.
> >
> > Is this just me, or do other think this as well?

Now that the code is present, we can use almost any image. Shadow is divided in 4 parts: top right, 
right, bottom right,  bottom, bottom left. If you can provide other images I could integrate them 
(those ones where more "proof of concept" ones.


> > --
> > Andrew


Regards

Sebastien

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