Re: [libreoffice-design] confusing status of grid enabled (fdo#31471)

Hi Christoph,

Christoph Noack píše v Čt 03. 03. 2011 v 21:58 +0100:
> Hi Petr, hi Rainer,
>
> great to see new guys on the Design list :-)
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 21:28 +0100 schrieb Petr Mladek:
> > Hi ,
> >
> > you might want to look at
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31471 . The menu icon for
> > grid enabled/disabled is confusing. We would like to use a normal check
> > box instead. I hope that it does not break any design rules ;-)
>
> Well, it does :-) Here is the (very short) OOo spec how Menus are
> styled, along with the description of checkmarks vs. images:
> http://specs.openoffice.org/ui_in_general/menus/Menus.odt

Well, I see there that both item images and checkmarks are allowed. I do
not see any rule when to use image and when checkmark.

Hmm, I do not like the checkmark specification. IMHO, it is more clear
to show empty box when the menu item is disabled. I see this (mine
preference) behavior in View/Toolbars/ menu.

> Concerning the issue, I can confirm some weird behavior in LibO 3.3.1 -
> but, everything is fine in OOo 3.2.0 (quickly checked). I don't know why
> "we" cause this issue ...

What is the correct behavior?

I have attached screenshots that shows the current behavior on Linux
GNOME x86_64. It shows the grid icon when the grid is disabled. It shows
nothing when the grid is enabled. I think that it does not follow the
specification. It should always show the grid and visualize
(border/background) whether it is selected or not.

Note that the same problem is with the "Snap to Grid" menu item. The
icon nicely visualize the purpose but it not shown when the feature is
enabled.

Note that "Grid to front" menu item uses the checkmark, so it looks
weird.

> Furthermore, there might be an additional issue when using one of the
> newer Linux distributions, since Gnome decided to deactivate the images
> in the menus. Thus, the images have to be replaced by real checkboxes,
> although the specification above is different in this case.

I use GNOME and I see icons on many menu locations.

> So, how to continue? Could anyone please check with a more recent OOo
> 3.3 - maybe on different platforms?
>
> Petr, might it make more sense to continue this discussion in the issue
> tracker?

I would prefer to continue the discussion in bugzilla. It will be easier
to get input from users that are interested into that particular bug.

On the other hand, if you expect a flamewar inside the design team, it
might be enough to discuss it here and just mention a link to the
mailing list archive in the bug.

> PS: I had to moderate this mail, so - if anybody joins to answer, please
> CC all guys.

Thanks. I would prefer to do not subscribe. I am already in too many
lists that I do not read actively ;-)

Thanks for help.


Best Regards,
Petr

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