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Hi David, all,

Round 4 and I'm KO'd. That's 2 hours I'd dedicated to LibreOffice gone today.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM, David Nelson <> wrote:
Hi, :-)

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 17:39, Ivan M. <> wrote:
+1. There is another picture that looks like an image generated by
some other piece of software thrown into Draw. Please correct me if
I'm wrong, but this image suggests functionality (the creation of such
graphics) that (as far as I am aware) is not actually present in Draw:

This is not a design issue. This is content. if you disagree then
maybe we'd better take this back to the SC *again* to get things

The screenshots are not a textual content issue either ... or are
they? Did the SC decide to atomise and separate design, UX, textual
content and infrastructure so that these 4 groups work in their own
isolated compartments? I certainly hope not! We all probably have
different ideas as to where design stops and UX begins, so unless the
SC made a cut-and-dry decision on this, we will need to work together
in shared areas of interest, of which there will probably be many.

I'm still waiting for the confcall to be posted online so I can hear
what was actually decided rather than going by very brief minutes.
Until then (and probably afterwards as well), my comments will only be
those of an (active) contributor.

Mm, information architecture is one thing we'll definitely need to
discuss in more detail.

The IA is written content, so it's not something for you to decide. I
think you're stretching the scope of Design beyond its natural limits.
Maybe you need to take this before the SC again for clarification?

See above. IA is certainly a matter for UX (e.g. see
It also relies on design for presentation. Beyond that, in the last
few years, usability has become crucial to (web) design itself (e.g. has its own usability section) - good (web)
design is no longer just about coding CSS and HTML and making
graphics; the (perceived) limits have shifted. Of course, as you
pointed out, IA (also) depends on textual content. My point is: IA
cannot be pinned down to 'textual content.'


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