[libreoffice-design] Status? (was: Re: [Libreoffice] [Visual Design] Request for Icon Artwork (was: Re: [UX] LO status bar annoyances))

Hi Design team members, all!

I just wanted to ask whether somebody kindly picked the topic mentioned
below ... maybe I missed that. As far as I know, it would a tiny but
helpful improvement.

cheers,
Christoph

Am Donnerstag, den 02.12.2010, 00:40 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
> Hi all!
>
> I forward this request to the LibreOffice Design Team, okay?
>
> Guys, Kohei asks for two icons to improve the current behavior of the
> status bar. More detailed, it is about the little "Document Modified"
> icon that appears if ... hard to guess ... a document has been modified
> and is not yet saved.
>
> There are some issues that might be resolved by having the current
> indication (that looks a bit too frightening, having a red exclamation
> mark ...) look like:
>       * Document unchanged: Very (!) subtle document icon
>       * Document changed: Subtle document icon having a kind of yellow
>         star to indicate something is "new"
>
> Details below ...
>
> It would be great if somebody could pick that up and either publish it
> in our wiki (suggestion: in your user page), or directly send it to the
> developers mailing list for review. Thanks in advance! :-)
>
>
> Maybe large parts of the discussion took place on the "wrong" mailing
> list, so you'll find the request by Kohei below (and a link to some
> initial design drafts). Some more hints:
>
>       * My original comments concerning (also other parts of the) status
>         bar can be found here. It also contains the rationale to come up
>         with the document style icons:
>         http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-November/003712.html   
>
>       * Kohei also sent the current files (one being empty, but this
>         should be changed, of course):
>         http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-December/003777.html
>
>       * The design of the currently used "Zoom slider icons" (by Stella)
>         is available here for inspiration (to get an idea about the size
>         and the currently used style):
>         http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_icons_zoomslider.html#iconszoom
>
>
> Concerning the latter - the challenge is to create icons that
> communicate the "status information only" character. There is nothing
> executed in contrast to the zoom slider icons being also located in the
> status bar (please don't ask why it then is still called a status bar
> *g*).
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 01.12.2010, 16:00 -0500 schrieb Kohei Yoshida:
> > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 08:16 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> > > Part 2 on the Changed icon part.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:31:44 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
> > > > DOCUMENT CHANGED INDICATION> 
> > > > A solution should:
> > > >       * just work
> > > >       * be unobtrusive (don't catch attention if it isn't required,
> > > >         don't waste space)
> > > >       * be self-explanatory (if possible)
> > > Right
> > >
> > > Ideally, we would not need that status bar and change the "Save" icon
> > > depending on whether there are changes that can be saved or not
> > > (e.g. overlay it with a yellow asterisk or so). I am one of the persons
> > > that agree that the save button should always work. But that doesn't
> > > mean that the save button cannot convey information on whether it is
> > > currently sensible to do so. (Alternatively gray it out if unmodified,
> > > but still allow it to be pressed). This would be my favorite
> > > solution. Putting that aside, let's work on making the status bar icon
> > > non-annoying, our ideas are pretty much the same.
> > >
> > > > But the current solution isn't perfect, of course. Current issues:
> > > >       * The extended help tip still mentions the '*' for a changed
> > > >         document.
> > >
> > > Right, tiny issue
> > > >       * For unsaved documents, the normal tool tip mentions "The
> > > >         document has not been modified since the last save." (Small
> > > >         issue, may not be changed).
> > > I don't have a problem with that, except that I have to mouse over an
> > > apparently empty are to see that toolbar. Why not always have an icon
> > > that changes appearance?
> >
> > That was my initial idea, but the icon author apparently had a different
> > idea.
> >
> > This is what it looked like originally:
> > http://kohei.us/2009/07/27/hackweek-minor-polish/
> >
> > which was a bad rip-off of the current save icon, hence updated to the
> > current, new, originally authored icons.
> >
> > Now, as I said in my other post, I would very much like to have someone
> > with good artistic sense to help me come up with new images to replace
> > the current ones.  I'll try to find the current images and post them to
> > the list shortly.
> >
> > Kohei
>
>
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