Re: [libreoffice-design] Review of progress on the libreoffice.org website and theme

Hi David,

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:21 PM, David Nelson <commerce@traduction.biz> wrote:
> Hi, :-)
>
> I was working on the new theme for the libreoffice.org website today,
> and then the server went dead. It's probably a nudge from fate. ;-)
> And then I was reading Stefan Siegel in a thread on the docs list, and
> it sounds like he has rather different ideas about at least some of
> the content on the libreoffice.org website. And I've also been
> thinking about some of the stuff that's been said in off-list threads
> about the website, the work I've been doing on it, and the theme [1]
> [2] that I'm developing for it (using Nikash Singh's template).
>
> Let's have this conversation *on* the list. I want to know a few
> things from all you guys.
>
> I asked for a period of time up to January 10 to finish what I started
> without consulting you very much. This is because, in my experience,
> the discussions turn into long rambling threads, with lots of
> conflicting opinions, and - in the end - no clear decision gets taken
> by anyone. I can tell you, as someone who's been at the sharp end of
> the actual work, it's really not easy to work like that. My intention
> has been to then hand the re-themed and content-filled website back to
> the SC and the community on January 10, 2011, and then get feedback
> from you all, and then implement changes that clearly seem to be
> wanted.
>
> Implementing Nikash' theme [1] [2] has been a lot of work for me. I've
> worked from the screenshot, produced all the graphics under Photoshop,
> sent them to Nikash for his approval and editing. I've started work on
> the SilverStripe templates and on the CSS stylesheets, and have been
> putting all of that on the SilverStripe sandbox that Christian
> provided me at http://188.40.32.145:7780/ (work is still much in
> progress).

I'm happy to help out with the CSS, HTML and SilverStripe coding. I
don't mean to sound like a broken record, but this is the third time I
have made such an offer. You did not (and do not) have to do so much
work all by yourself; I would have very much enjoyed (and would enjoy)
the opportunity to work with Nik and you on the design.

> Christian gave me a go for the theme, setting certain size constraints
> [1] [2]. Florian said that he'd accept whatever Christian decided.
> Bernhard gave me a "kind-of" go. Charles gave me a go, if I understood
> correctly. Ultimately, I'm not really sure what Christoph's position
> was.
>
> So, let me ask you the first question:

I'll only answer the first question since it seems to be the most
pressing one (and I'm unqualified to answer the third one).

> a) Do I have broad consensus of permission from you for this January
> 10 handover? Or should I accept that you all jump in as from now, and
> change things the way you want?

Yes; given how hard you pushed for the January 10 date and your
statement that this is how you want to work, I think it would be
unhelpful to go from one extreme (a very small number of people
working on it) to another (everyone jumping in). A more structured
process for incorporating feedback can be set up when the handover is
made.

Regards,
Ivan.

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