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Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac


Hi :)
Thanks :))

I didn't know about Alt being a way to get into or out of
menus/ribbon-bar.  On Ubuntu it brings up the "HUD" which allows people to
type in what they want to do, instead of having to search through menus.  I
had forgotten the Alt F4 for closing a window/console.  I have often used
Ctrl w to close a document/tab but keep the main window open = usually most
useful in a web-browser but still useful in other apps sometimes.

I think even just knowing a few greatly helps people, even fully sighted
users gain a lot by using them.


Errr, i just found this ZdNet article
http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-stephen-hawking-aim-to-spur-assistive-technology-development/

I think getting a celebrity actively promoting assistive technologies might
be a help.  Stephen Hawkings seems to have quite a reputation for being a
curious mix of friendly but demanding and seems good at breaking down
barriers.  There are a couple of things that worry me.  IBM's involvement
suggests it's going to be entirely proprietary and even though there is a
suggestion of it being free now it makes me wonder how long it would stay
that way.  On the other hand IBM have done some good for OpenSource too so
i'm not sure.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 December 2014 at 13:41, David Goldfield <dgoldfie@asb.org> wrote:

Hi.
I've been a screen reader user since 1991 when I started out with DOS 3.X
and so I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about this topic.



When you are dependent on using a screen reader, it helps if you can
memorize shortcut keys. The more keys you can memorize, the more efficient
you will likely be with computer navigation. For people who just don't do
well in memorizing shortcut keys, teaching them how to use a program's menu
bar or ribbon UI can be of great help, as this presents a simple way of
getting to all of the commands contained within a given program. Many
shortcut keys are quite intuitive and easy to remember: ctrl-S for save,
ctrl-O for open, ctrl-P for print, etc. The alt key places focus in or out
of the menu/ribbons and alt-f4, at least in Windows, is used to close the
currently active window or, in many cases, running app.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomcecf@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:15 AM
To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Cc: Alex Thurgood; Accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Hi :)
I am mildly curious about how people work with screen-readers when they
are completely dependant on them.

I can often work without a mouse by using some keyboard short-cuts and
using tab to go through menus.  To some extent i've memorised some of 'the'
keyboard (thanks to Mavis Beacon and other touch-typing courses) so i could
probably find the tab key without needing to see it but a lot of times i
would be completely stuck

I was hoping that being on this mailing list might reveal some tricks that
a lot of people use but mostly it's been really technical stuff here.
No-one here seems to need or ask questions about just workflow or for hints
and tips, yet.  Maybe that will change once LO is easier to set-up for
accessibility, ie once java dependence is no longer an issue.

I've been quite glad to see the highly technical answers too, of course
but it's all just beyond me.  Luckily i've not had to set-up a system for
anyone needing it but i keep having little trial-runs at it.  One day i
should make a serious attempt and maybe then things will become a lot
clearer.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 December 2014 at 09:38, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjeanphi@free.fr

wrote:

Hi.

Thanks for this info. Actually I wonder how LO behaves with "Voiceover",
that is, is it possible to browse between toolbars, in the menus, the
dialogs, etc. For example, is it easy to handle styles and characters
formatting?

The question is asked to me by a blind user to do tests. I am aware of
the lack of resource for this architecture, but I wonder if someone
tested anyway;

Regards

----- Alex Thurgood <alex.thurgood@gmail.com> a écrit :
Le 03/12/2014 00:52, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :

Hi Jean-Philippe


Does someone is LibreOffice is accessible with VoiceOver as 4.3.4?


Accessible in which way ?

My recent testing of VoiceOver on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4334 and master
build 4.5.0 alpha shows that it mostly works for announcing text
paragraphs from a pre-existing Writer document and using keyboard
commands to jump from one text block to another.

I haven't tested speech input, if that is what you are asking about.
There is an open, as yet unconfirmed, bug report that speech input
stopped working with LO 4.3.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are very few Mac QA
testers, and even fewer that use or need VoiceOver, one of the
reasons being that assistive technology tools tended to cause LO to
crash in previous versions, and thus general advice was to deactivate
them when using LO.


Alex




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