RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libreoffice, screen reader, Windows

I'm simply going by the fact that the statement on the Symphony donation singled out IAcessible2 
for mention.

I copied Malte in my original note.  I hope he can clarify that to everyone's satisfaction.  It may 
depend on how the OpenOffice.org code base is brought to Apache. Malte will know better.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe Strobbe [mailto:christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be] 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 05:08
To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libreoffice, screen reader, Windows

Hi Dennis,


At 20:02 16-7-2011, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The IAccessible2 was apparently not given to Oracle.

Can you clarify what the source of this statement is?
At FOSDEM 2011 (February), Malte Timmermann said that IBM had donated 
the IAccessible2 implementation to Oracle and that he was in the 
process of integrating and testing this code.


> However, it is mentioned as one feature that will be donated to the 
> Apache OpenOffice.org project as part of the contribution of the 
> standalone Symphony software:
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201107.mbox/%3cCAP-ksojJnTAYZDBoTY6gfOEnh9fcmEoxcd8DX=X3hD3S6BQ2WQ@mail.gmail.com%3e>

My understanding is that this is a separate contribution from the 
previously mentioned IAccessible2 implementation.


> There is an earlier contribution that is apparently in the 
> OpenOffice.org code base but might not have been incorporated in a 
> distribution at this point.

Which contribution are you referring to now?

Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe


> You are at the right place to find out whether that is being pulled 
> into LibreOffice or not.  Malte [Timmermann] is mentioned as having 
> some knowledge of the status on OpenOffice.org.  The Symphony 
> contribution has not occurred yet and it will probably not start to 
> be pulled apart for features to integrate into future Apache 
> OpenOffice releases until after the OpenOffice.org contribution has 
> been absorbed. With regard to licensing, anything available from 
> Apache is available under the Apache License version 2 (ALv2 to its 
> friends).  This is a permissive license that is not copyleft but it 
> is compatible with the [L]GPL family of licenses.  There is no 
> limitation that would prevent integration, with whatever 
> modifications are necessary, into LibreOffice, once an IAccessible2 
> implementation is available on Apache.
>
> -
> Dennis
>
> PS: One interesting wrinkle being discussed on 
> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org is the possible use of DITA for 
> authoring the integrated help and other materials.  DITA is a form 
> of single-source authoring that has multiple targets.  It is also an 
> OASIS Standard.  This may be an advantage in making these materials 
> accessible.  Just something to think about in terms of potential 
> future value.  It is premature for there to be a decision about this 
> at Apache, but the fact that the Symphony project is already using 
> DITA may become a factor.
>
>  -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL 
> [mailto:mengualjeanphi@free.fr] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 18:53 
> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: 
> [libreoffice-accessibility] Libreoffice, screen reader, Windows Hi, 
> My point of starting is: while Libreoffice is accessible all right 
> with the screen reader Orca with GNU/Linux, it's absolutely not 
> usable with NVDA on Windows. The problem: it makes loose the 
> credibility of the free software, which is installed in public 
> administrations, and problematic for blind people. So I would like 
> us to work very much about this, with testers, and developpers 
> which are mandatory. During Libre Software Meeting, I was told that 
> IBM had written a module to make OOo accessible. If I understand, 
> its name is "Iaccessible2". Really? If it is right, it seemed it 
> was given to Oracle. Now the question is: where's this code? In 
> Apache foundation? Oracle? or could Libreoffice ship this in the 
> fork? Can we fetch it from Apache if it's there and what are 
> license conditions (I don't know Apache License)? Is it 
> implemented? If it is not, who can I contact to find this code and 
> allow to integrate it in LibreOffice? If it is, could you help me 
> for identifiation, so that I see with NVDA what's possible? I read 
> today Rob Weir who seems to say that this code is in OOo from 
> Apache, and in Symphony too. Can you tell me if we can find it 
> there so and ship it on Libreoffice? Thanks for your answer. 
> Regards, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL

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