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Le 2010-10-24 17:24, Drew Jensen a écrit :
@Marc - honestly, IMO, it's a bit premature to envision that many people
- reality is going to call for a lot less formality...precisely from an
efficiency stand point. My best guess is that, if we are very
successful, there would not be enough people, actually willing to work,
for a year or more - perhaps much more. (if we are not successful [how
to define] then it won't matter anyway)

or let me do it this way - flip that over

Ben starts announcing that he would like to like to meet up with other
folks interested in LibreOffice (or Open Standards..or whatever strikes
Ben's fancy pretty much)

A coffee clutch - the key is to get together. The first thing, from what
I read, most important to the wider organizational view is a collection
of pictures (or video) of the gathering.

Informal sounds right, folks interested in LibreOffice talking about it.

Not to say that eventually there might not be some formality but even
that would be just a Impress file on a laptop perhaps.

Again I'd think that a micro-blog is just about right for the informal
coffee clutch type get together - Ben (or others in other towns) really
could just login with his twitter account, open the NYC Coffee Clutch
group and tweet out that he would like to get together with anyone
interested in LibreOffice (or whatever he likes) - with as much or as
little specificity to time/place, again, as he likes - the tweet can be
re-tweeted, the link to the group can go in emails or other tweets or
blogs..whatever, that group link is hard...any how I ramble now..but I
hope Ben was thinking informal and that he goes for it...hi @ben..

Same for others - Seattle comes to mind as a good place where there
maybe a group waiting for someone to take the first step..

Best wishes,

Thanks for the answer Drew.

I always think that organising is the best way to get to your result(s).

Imagine a trip where you are asked to lead a group from Paris to Des Moines OHIO, USA for an important soccer match. Now there are different options, you could ask everyone to plan out an itinerary of their own without giving them any kind of outline or restrictions, then you will have groups flying, sailing, coaching by bus, chartering bus/plane/trains, payment for the group by credit, cash or some will pay on their own etc ... The chances of having disruptions for this group are most likely at it highest and the chances of group/individual dissent are also at their highest. Criticism of individuals in these types of groups are constant.

If you were to take a second group and provide the outline of requirements then you would have a more comprehensive itinerary with fewer chances of plans being derailed due to missed details. It is impossible to provide a bullet-proof outline, but by working within the confines of this outline, the group will most likely arrive at Des Moines all on time and the chances of having a content group are most likely at its highest. Criticism is founded more on how to improve the system and as most are content, criticism is seen more in a positive light than negative.

If we plan on fighting the large competing project, then we should outline big and plan big. There is still freedom from movement to any of the structured compartments and the outline still makes allowances for freedom of speech, participation, individuality and movement. Micro-blogs can still be used. When organisations are built on too much of an elastic-type of structure, then people are always confused of issues and have to constantly restart or be re-told of past issues because there is no proper record of it, very much like what we see in the mailists discussions with constant repetition of issues that have already been dealt with. There is more that often too much effort devoted to having to deal with repeated comments of issues.

People will join if they see a good visible structured environment and if they can see themselves fitting into a compartment of that outline.

There is a rude saying where it is said: "If you want to pee and run like a big dog, then you have to learn how to to pee and run like a big dog".

Just my pitch for a more structured environment.

But we are still a community and decide as such.



Marc Paré

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