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Hi Florian,

On 2011-09-29 at 13:20 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:

In order to achieve that, we want to start with a "tabula rasa". The 
currently existing wiki will be moved to something like The new TDF wiki will be, and the LibreOffices wikis at, and the like. We will start with a new user database, no 
pages, no uploads, in order to get rid of some old stuff that might not 
be needed anymore -- a lot happened in the last year. ;-)

People can then register at the new wiki farm again, and manually put 
uploads and pages to the new wiki if they are needed. The rest will, 
after a certain amount of time, be taken offline and archived.

Oh no, please don't take this way!  The 'tabula rasa' approach is what
openSUSE has chosen a year or so ago, and it was deadly annoying.  I
mean really REALLY _REALLY_ annoying for all.  Even now you can find
documentation in packages pointing to non-existing wiki pages etc.  From
my point of view, it is better to live with few (hundreds of?)
redirects, than deciding that "we will do it right this time" - and
annoy everyone by not being able to find the article she/he was used to
have at some location for ages [OK, for a year in our case ;-)].

If I can vote, please, migrate everything, including the logins,
existing articles with history etc. if at all possible, and move the
pages around to achieve the new structure, with appropriate redirects in
place, all this transparently for the users.  For the language pages, to
avoid hundreds of Article/<language>/Something redirects, we can do a
simple extension that will redirect to the appropriate
<language> - I have written a similar extension for
the wikihelp, and can provide that.

@Kendy: Shall we integrate the help wiki into that, or is it better to 
have it hosted separately as it is now? I tend to the latter one, but 
you have more insight on how data is fed into there.

Better to have the wikihelp separate, so far it is still not supposed to
be an editable wiki; may change in the future, but other possibilities
are to be sought too (like eg. Mozilla came up with a similar help
system, that uses the Wiki markup too, need to check how it progressed

Thank you a lot,

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