Re: [libreoffice-website] One click to download 3.3.3

Hi Kendy, Cor, all,

sorry for stepping in so late - being busy with reading tons of mails 
and marking important ones...

Cor Nouws schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> Jan Holesovsky wrote (16-06-11 18:31)

> > 1) Change the main page as following:
> >
> >    http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/libreoffice/libreoffice-home.png
>>
> >  2) Add the same download button (Get LibreOffice 3.3.3 for Windows) to
> >    the http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ page too; for fast access.
> >
> >
> > So - any objections to the proposed change of the main page, please?

Adding direct download buttons to the main page and the download page is 
in fact an important point for "1-click-and-buy" users.

But we definitely need to anticipate *what* they want to get - otherwise 
the (huge) download is worth nothing but a reason for distrust and 
negative public recognition for LibreOffice.

And at least the people I know (there are a few with such an attitude) 
want to get:
- a really stable office suite
- in their language
- including offline help
- with a single installer (not having more than a few steps)

(without unnecessary bits and parts, if they find out the reason for the 
large download)

Providing the one-click download button is one of the preconditions for 
more downloads and happy users, but something like an opportunity to 
download the help during the installation process (and perhaps just the 
language packs and wordbooks in the installed languages too) would be 
necessary too.
> One positive side effect of the proposal is that it helps getting people
> the most stable current version, 3.3.3.

+1 (even if this can be done with the current website design too)

> (And not so easy 3.4.0 without thinking about what they do)
>
> However, at a certain point we have to choose to change from 3.3.x to
> 3.4.x on the main page. And thus think about how to visually inform
> visitors about that change (and the still present choice for them to
> stay with 3.3.x)

It's our task to show the people the differences between the different 
versions.

And it's a marketing task to define which version fits best for which 
target group. We didn't define by now when we recommend home and 
business users to switch from LibO 3.3.x to LibO 3.4.y.

This has to be done by our marketing based on the user experiences with 
the previous versions (for LibO 3.4 I think we'll have to wait for 3.4.2).
> > > > Is this detect the OS of user? such as Ubuntu user will get link to
> > > > ubuntu version, etc...
> > >
> > > No, the proposal is to provide a download button for windows only, and
> > > an additional link "other versions".
>
> I am far from sure that it is OK to mention Windows, handling users of
> another OS as second class...
> Why not make that 'button' adapting itself, as on the OOo home page?

This is very important if we don't want to get more negative public 
feedback.

Why should we present a Windows download button to Linux or Mac OS X users?
> > > And yes, my objection is that you don't have help included in the
> > > download
> >
> > Indeed - so with help it could be done so that together with the start
> > of the download, a webpage can open with something like "Thank you for
> > downloading LibreOffice x.y.z! You might be also interested in
> > downloading help: [language chooser for the help]."
> >
> > Is this possible with SilverStripe?
>
> That might be possible. Another option could be changing the installer,
> so that after installation people get informed about additional Help to
> download if they so wish.

I'd prefer this way (but not after, but included in the installer)
> > > (let alone that you make the other OS "second class citizens"
> >
> > Yes; on Linux, my preferred approach is that people should be encouraged
> > to use their distro offering. But of course this still leaves the Mac
> > OSX users without 1st class access to the downloads, that's true.
>
> Don't like the idea to 'discriminate' non Windows users.
>
> So there is potential improvement in the proposal, but IMO some more
> gain within reach, and thought about the nearby future needed, before
> implementing.

This topic has already been addressed not only by the design team (see 
Nik's mockup here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg) 
but by native lang teams too (like 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/LODownload).

We need to co-ordinate it here and invite design and marketing team to 
contribute their expertise.

Is anybody here able to spend some time on this topic, invite the other 
teams and make this improvement come true during the next week(s)?

If so, please raise your hand!

Best regards

Bernhard

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