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Hi Michael, hi Charles, David!

Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 16:16 +0930 schrieb Michael Wheatland:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Charles Marcus
<> wrote:
On 2011-01-27 3:36 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Michael Wheatland wrote (27-01-11 09:05)
I'm sorry, but I really, really, *really* don't think that an email list
is the proper 'forum' for discussing things like this. How can this be
an effective medium for working out complex details for this kind of
thing? Heck, the 'Talk' page on a wiki page would be better than a mail
list thread.

The problem of grouping things pops up regularly, I think. And there
might be different ways to solve that.

First, an on-list discussion might be really helpful to work out the
design constraints, otherwise we'll might lost in endless discussions.
For example, there are usual "hints" like: try to reduce the number of
menu items to eight or below. Or, we have to support browsers A, B, and
C ... bla bla bla :-) Then you have the "design ingredients", like the
kind of menu (no drop-downs, design permits four sub-menu levels...). Or
the "target users", primarily target "end-users" (on front pages XYZ).
Some of these decisions might be iterated, but it helps to focus in the
very first step ... and also for all the other to come.

A few days ago, I've already started to put together some thoughts that
can be seen here ...

Does this sound reasonable? Might we continue with such stuff?

And I (personally) started to collect some ideas for the IA, but this is
far from mature ... and more urgent things are still waiting.

Maybe we should dedicate a conference call to the web architecture?

Can you suggest any better way to allow people to express their
opinions on the page structures?

Since, at the end, the IA is something our users are faced to, the IA is
usually backed by some research - one of the methods is "card sorting":

Maybe there is a chance to apply it here - without adding too much
effort. Therefore I CC our "agile usability" expert Björn. Any ideas? Do
you have (maybe) access to some data the KDE project worked on for their


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