Re: [libreoffice-website] Back to top link for all pages

Hi Christoph, all,

Christoph Noack schrieb:
> Hi Bernhard, hi all!
>
> Am Freitag, den 21.01.2011, 17:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > Hi Klaus-Jürgen, Christian, all
> >
> > klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb:
> > > Hi Christian,
> > > Am 20.01.2011 01:38, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> > > > Hi Klaus-Jürgen, *,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
> > > > <ol@sophia-louise.de>  wrote:
> > > > > Am 13.01.2011 21:48, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
> > > > > > <ol@sophia-louise.de>  wrote:
> > > > > > > ["back to top" link like on the limesurvey site]
> > > > > > And if so, at what position?
> > > > > > Lower right as limesurvey site?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the position is quite good. It is moved away from the text
> > > > > but will
> > > > > follow if you change the width of your browser.
> > > >
> > > > I added it to the pumbaa site as a demo - what do you think?
> > > > http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ (scroll down a little, the
> > > > link will appear)
> > > > If your monitor is too big and display the whole page at once, try
> > > > http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/get-help/mailing-lists/ -
> > > > that one is longer .-))
> > >
> > > As there were no negative comments would you put this on the live-site?
> > > So we can avoid "on the top" inside the texts.
> > +1
>
> +/-1 :-)
>
> Sorry, I've missed this discussion a bit. I like the general idea
> (although shorter pages are attractive as well), but the current
> realization might miss the main advantage. Three thoughts ...
>
> Position: If you put it at the lower right, the mouse travel distance
> will be maximized. Since we miss the advantages of Fitts's Law (lower
> right browser window doesn't equal lower right screen), the very next
> thing after "go top" is to use the website menu at the top.

I'm not quite sure - as the website menu is still there, people can use 
it without moving to the top of the page.

In my eyes the <go to the top> button will be used re-read some details 
or use links in the current page after reading the content partially or 
in a whole, but I might be wrong.
> Mapping: Going up is usually located at the top (like the scrollbar
> button) - the positional mapping is incorrect.

I understood Karl-Heinz differently - he used an example from Limesurvey 
(http://www.limesurvey.org), but this doesn't mean that they do it properly.

I found a website giving more information about the "to top" link:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/totop.html
> Self-explanation: People will have to read the text to understand the
> item (and it needs to be translated?). And, the shape doesn't provide
> additional clues (direction).

An (additional) arrow would be nice, but I don't know if it really works 
without any textual explanation.
> So my proposal (if technically feasible): How about an element that
> shows an arrow (up), which is located approx. 50 ... 100px next to the
> LibO header (right of the header), at the top of the page.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>            +----------------------------------------+  +----+
>            |   HEADER HEADER HEADER HEADER HEADER   |  | /\ |
>            |                                        |  +----+

I would understood this as a link back to the parent level in the 
navigation hierarchy. And showing / hiding it when the page is scrolled 
down might be disruptive.

What do you think of adding the link (not more prominent than at the 
moment) with an additional upward arrow at the right *upper* corner of 
the text area - directly below the navbar?

Best regards

Bernhard

PS: Concerning Fitt's law I don't know if we need to make this button 
more visible and larger. As people know where to click when they want to 
scroll up (upper arrow besides the website's content area), they will 
look at this position to place the mouse. As they already focus on a 
small area, they will probably see the tiny and not very colorful link. 
(As always - only my personal PoV, so Christoph's expertize is rated 
much higher...)

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