Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

Hi Ben, all,

(especially the ones trying to work on the Drupal demo during the last days)

Benjamin Horst schrieb:
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > But *could* is not enough: We need a working website *now* (to be
> > honest, we would have needed in already two weeks ago).
> >
> > What has not been communicated in the past is: The demo will be (at
> > least I think so) the basis for the new website where the different
> > teams should work on during the next days. There will be no time to
> > set up a different system for the official website - so it needs to
> > work.
>
> This seems obvious, but unfortunately was not ever suggested before.
> I understand the urgency, but I do not think successful projects
> emerge from a requirement of "get it done now."

You're totally right, but we didn't have a chance to do it differently.

This is the only open source community consisting of hundreds 
(thousands) people willing to contribute during the first week after 
it's announcement.

As you all know we only have very limited infrastructure as we didn't 
want to create the entire community behind the scenes.

Whit regards to website: There is a real need for localized websites 
*now*, and there are teams in several native-language teams waiting for 
any sign that they can start creating the webpages urgently needed by 
the non-English public.

I'm sorry that Christian's "demo" didn't cover this aspect enough, but 
as he has been involved in this area for several years (as co-lead of 
the OOo website project), these requirements have probably been too 
basic to write them down too.
> > People with very little experience in website construction will
> > have to be able to create websites for their own LibreOffice/TDF
> > area on the website.
> >
> > Especially the native-language teams, but also marketing and user
> > support are waiting too long already.
> >
> > We're losing momentum - contributors - users if we keep on
> > discussing the best solution.
>
> I think we run this risk, but on the other hand, additional people
> keep joining the mailing list and volunteering, so we may not have to
> worry about it yet.

It's not only about the contributors: Users are interested in 
LibreOffice, but can't find the necessary information in their language.

This might be able to be handled for a few days or one week - but 
certainly not for the time we would need to set up a full set of Drupal 
modules fitting all our needs.

I hoped that the "demo" would be able to become the nucleus for a Drupal 
site where the native-lang teams could add their own pages, structure 
them on their own and provide the content their user need.

But if there is still one of the central necessities (adding relative / 
internal links) not addressed, it is not ready to be used.
> > [...]
> >
> > If the Drupal demo allows all this *now*, I'd ask Christian to have
> > one more look at the demo.
>
> Yes, I believe Drupal offers everything listed above and on the wiki
> page.

Please try - I didn't find the button to add a link either. This might 
be a minor bug, but it is crucial for the work of our teams.
> A few days ago, I added some requirements on the wiki page referring
> to ad hoc group creation, things which I do not believe SilverStripe
> can support, based on its demo and my research.

Who should be able to add such groups? Probably not the teams working on 
their localized websites.

Therefore this is not really relevant for the start. Later on, there 
might be a need (depending on the structure we want to give our 
community), but without a tool for creation of "normal, standard" 
websites with text, tables, images, links and so on, with saving the 
result of their work without publishing it directly this is no option at 
the moment.

If Drupal proves to be much better than SilverStripe in the long term 
(and I can imagine very well that this might be true), then we might 
consider switching our infrastructure from SilverStripe to Drupal 
*after* this infrastructure has been established.

We have to come to a conclusion and a working CMS *now*. This is far 
from being optimal - but there is no alternative in my eyes.

Best regards

Bernhard

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