Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com <lohmaier%2Booofuture@googlemail.com>>wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com> wrote:
> > Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horst<bhorst@mac.com>  wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst<bhorst@mac.com>
>  wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst<bhorst@mac.com>
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > I know I'm repeating myself, but still the drupal site doesn't cut it.
> > > You canot create structured documents with headings for example.
> > >
> > > Yes, I know, this is "just a configuration setting"; but despite admin
> > > logins being available know, nobody took the time to add it, despite
> > > so many drupal people advocating it here on the list.
> >
> > In my opinion, Christian does have a point here. Could someone please
> create
> > this as proof that it can be done? I'll take a look at it although I am
> more
> > adept at the Zikula packages. Also, in all fairness, Christian, you
> should
> > log into the Drupal site and attempt to create these documents to see how
> > they compare to Silverstripe.
>
> Are you kidding me? Do you think I write that the drupal demo sucks
> because I never ever logged into it?
> I say it sucks *because* I logged in, tried it, found that it severely
> lacks the features laid out as requirements, but *still* people keep
> on saying that you can do everything with drupal because there are
> tons of modules, because it is so flexible.
>
> *STOP WITH THAT* - that is not questioned at all!!!!
> Instead of wasting so much time praising drupal, put that time into
> making the demo usable.
> What you delivered so far is a joke. Yes, I mean it. If you try to
> promote drupal with that POS, then sorry, you absolutely missed the
> point.
>
> Only now, after so many days have passed people start to turn the demo
> into something workable. Now I see a little progress in this direction
> at least.
>
> But still workflow stuff is missing, you cannot compare revisions of
> the pages, there isn't an obvious way to create links to other pages
> on the site, etc. Come on!
>
> I apologize for the wording, but apparently just writing it in nice
> word doesn't help. I fell like a dump robot writing the same stuff
> over and over again, without people listening.
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
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All the workflow and revision stuff can be easily added.  Just turn on
revisions for a page/book and it tracks revisions.  Add the diff module and
you get side by side comparisons.  Yes.  You need to configure Drupal, its
essentially like a set of legos with different pieces.  IMHOP your doing a
project that you obviously care about a huge disservice by sending them to
Silverstripe.  GO look at the sites made with it, they are fundamentally
simple sites with limited or no functionality beyond basic content
management, which Drupal does well at. I really can't find one thats beyond
a simple CMS setup or Blog.   IF you only have a limited amount of time and
resources then why choose something that will ultimately not serve as many
purposes as possible.  I use Drupal because it economizes my time by
providing a common platform to solve many different problems.  I like the
fact that I can customize it to meet my needs easily.  If I need something I
turn it on, if I don't I turn it off.  I can totally control every aspect of
the CMS.  As far as a learning curve...  I can teach just about anyone how
to be very fluent in basic drupal config in about two hours.  If your trying
to save yourself a few hours of learning by choosing something simple like
silver stripe and potentially limiting your overall ability to meet the
needs of your project then I don't know if that is a very wise decision to
make.

Please, seriously, find a site on this showcase that is not dead simple:

http://www.silverstripe.org/community-showcase/

Go look at the list of top of the line high traffic sites with a lot of
functionality that use Drupal:

http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites

IF you want to have a dead simple website then go use silverstripe and hope
someone makes some modules in the future.  Otherwise, go with something that
is proven to work day in and day out in some of the most complex and
highly trafficked websites around.

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