Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Header and Footers separators design

Hi Cor, hi Cedric,

since I currently consume much of the discussion in (sometimes thin)
"slices", I'd like to ask some questions ... I'm currently a bit unsure
about what kind of feature we really talk.

At the beginning, I thought we talk about an optional visualization for
the headers ... but it seems we discuss a completely different behavior
for editing / accessing features.

So, do we talk about:
      * when editing headers/footers, then a new visualization shows
        what's getting edited:
              * new line and "Header: $PAGE_STYLE" are shown
              * the remaining document parts are grayed out (a bit)
      * editing headers/footers starts via "double click" on the desired
        area
      * during "normal" document editing, access to the headers/footers
        is not possible

If this is correct, then a "-1" from my side to the whole package. I'd
like to understand more about the issues we currently run into (e.g.
whether the preconditions - partly very different from MSO interaction
design - support/enable such a change). One tiny example are the current
gray separator lines - being shown all the time, although the content
itself is only editable via a (hidden) double-click. Furthermore, do we
run into accessibility problems? ...

@ Cor: I still don't understand that well how to access such features
apart from the available daily builds. Can you please provide a hint how
to test it (since I use VMs, any kind of Linux is okay).

Sorry for lacking proper understanding at the moment ... and maybe
delaying things. But I did not get the idea of the change in the mail
yesterday. But, I'll promise to help to make this a cool feature :-)

Cheers,
Christoph


Am Mittwoch, den 06.07.2011, 20:10 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (06-07-11 15:13)
> > On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 14:01 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
> > > Runs fine for about two hours now...
> > > But hey, how would I be able to see a feature in the master, that has
> > > not yet been finished and pushed :-)
> >
> > I already pushed a lot of it before sending the email here. My commits
> > are to be considered as a basis for a better work but that doesn't mean
> > you won't see the feature at all ;)
>
> Indeed, can work with it :-)
>
> Some comments:
>
> 1. Could it be possible to change from main to header/footer by single 
> mouse click, in stead of double. (I know the other program uses double 
> click, but looks superfluous to me)
>
> 2. Refresh problem when height of header/footer changes.
>     -  HeaderFooter_CB_01.png
>
> 3. grey-tone does not toggle when changing content with Ctrl-PageUp 
> (PageDown for footer), and I can use the cursor here, but not the mouse 
> :-)
>    -   HeaderFooter_CB_03.png
>
> 4. It was new for me to see (but maybe missed it from what you wrote) 
> that the line only is visible when the header/footer is activated (by 
> double clicking ATM).
>
> Then the visual challenge ;-)
> 5. For the line: I would advice the same color, or something that is 
> close to the text boundaries.
> Reason: the line is wider, does change width with zooming, and is 
> dashed. I have nothing against the nice blue color, but it's just to 
> much as default within the current UI, IMO.
>
> Page break
> = = = = =
> 6. For the hard page break: now it is blue – my advise would be light blue.
>
> 7. It is not such a problem that the break is partly covered by the new 
> separator, since that only is the case when header/footer is active
> Problem with the  page break though: when spacing of the header/footer 
> is zero, it is not visible (covered by the inner boundary of the 
> header/footer apparently.)
> See also  -  HeaderFooter_CB_03.png
>
> Maybe some of the quirks have been solved already in your dev-code.
>
> So far this non-expert advise ;-)
> Maybe Christoph is interested to see some special situations? Pls drop a 
> line later this evening, and maybe I (we) can help.
>
> Cheers,
>
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