Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Removes zoom button from default standard toolbar]

Hi Regina, all!

Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 20:04 +0200 schrieb Regina Henschel:
> Hi Christoph,
>
> Christoph Noack schrieb:
> [..]
> > Plus, some of the functionality nicely (visually) presented in the
> > today's toolbar is simply missing / less understandable if the toolbar
> > item would be removed in other applications, e.g. Draw/Impress. My main
> > concern - something like "Zoom" should really be consistent across all
> > applications.
>
> I do not share your concerns. I usually remove the Zoom-icon from the 
> standard toolbar. Its functionality in Writer and Calc is full covered 
> by the number field in the status bar.

I'm sure you don't share these concerns - because you are truly a power
user. I still remember your use cases when working on the printer
dialog :-)

The discussion is about sensible defaults for the majority of users. And
those users don't know about, e.g.:
      * double clicking a passively looking number field
      * right-clicking a number field (what about Mac?)
      * understanding the options via text (the context menu hides the
        icons)
      * different standard behavior in one software package (sometimes
        you have the toolbar icon, sometimes not) (*)

So, I agree that some of the functionality is there - but only few
people will be aware of that. It counts what is visible.

(*) by the way, Math doesn't feature the Zoom Slider

> In Draw I usually activate the Zoom toolbar and dock it besides the 
> standard toolbar in my customization. I use its zooming tools so often, 
> that it is helpful to have them immediately. Perhaps this zooming 
> toolbar can be opened and docked by default instead of the zoom icon?

To me, it sounds better to fix the Zoom toolbar instead - since the Zoom
toolbar has been a pretty desired feature that time.

> > So, Sam, any chance that some of the features can be moved to the status
> > bar? I'm sure the code will be totally different :-\
> >
> >
> > Conclusion: Apply only, if we can have a direct follow-up activity to
> > improve the zoom slider - even if it is a simple additional button that
> > opens a similar toolbar or leads to the "Zoom and View Layout" dialog
> > (in the first step). In any other case, I would not suggest to go with
> > the patch.
>
> No, please not another field in the statusbar. There's already not 
> enough space to show all context informatation in Draw and Writer.

Well, some guys within the Design team already started to ideate how an
improved status bar may look like. That apart - at the moment,
functionality that belongs together, "Zoom", is simply spread among the
screen ... and there is no good reason for that (at least in my POV).

Cheers,
Christoph