Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Removes zoom button from default standard toolbar]

Hi Sam, Michael, Norbert, ...

Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 08:12 -0700 schrieb Samuel Cantrell:
> That's OK with me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Samuel Cantrell
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@novell.com> wrote:
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> >        First - thanks for the nice patch, and caring about our UI - we need
> > more such caring people :-)

Still ++1 :-)

> >        I'd like to get some input from the UX guys on this one if that's ok -
> > and we have this dip-in advice list (no need to subscribe) for this.

Michael, I know you won't be to happy to hear that (as I am not happy) -
such leftovers are there, because we miss reasonable implementations in
another place (here: the zoom slider).

A really good summary why the Zoom Slider is "half done", made up by
Clément:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Zoom_Slider#Design_and_User_Experience_issues

An own proposal made some years ago (wow, really old):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7j1oz1mNWErztZKj45Bycw?feat=directlink

Plus, some of the functionality nicely (visually) presented in the
today's toolbar is simply missing / less understandable if the toolbar
item would be removed in other applications, e.g. Draw/Impress. My main
concern - something like "Zoom" should really be consistent across all
applications.


So, Sam, any chance that some of the features can be moved to the status
bar? I'm sure the code will be totally different :-\


Conclusion: Apply only, if we can have a direct follow-up activity to
improve the zoom slider - even if it is a simple additional button that
opens a similar toolbar or leads to the "Zoom and View Layout" dialog
(in the first step). In any other case, I would not suggest to go with
the patch.

Again, it is not because the patch or the idea is bad ... it is because
the rest of LibO/OOo is so bad. Sorry!

> >        Personally, I think cleaning up cruft from the toolbars is a good goal,
> > and some things like the 'hyperlink' and 'zoom' buttons and prolly the
> > 'help' button too are not IMHO necessary - but it'd be nice to get a
> > simple ack/nack for hiding the zoom button by default here.

Help - it will stay, or move to a more prominent position :-)


> >        Hopefully we can get that quickly :-)

How quick is quick?

Cheers,
Christoph

> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Samuel Cantrell <samuelcantrell@gmail.com>
> > To: LibreOffice Development List <libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org>
> > Subject: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Removes zoom button from default standard
> > toolbar
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:27:57 -0700
> >
> > I've created a couple patches that remove the zoom button from the
> > standard bar by default. (That is, they are still present, so if a
> > user so chooses to, he can add them, but they're not shown by
> > default.)
> >
> > One patch applies to Calc, and the other to Writer. To apply them, you
> > have to cd into their respective directories.
> >
> > Any contributions I've made (if you can call them that), are licensed
> > under the MPL/LGPLv3+.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Samuel Cantrell
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