Re: [libreoffice-users] How to move a Frame anchored to Page

Hi John,

John Kaufmann schrieb am 10.09.2024 um 17:41:
> Hi Regina,
>
> On 2024-09-10 06:26, Regina Henschel wrote:
> > John Kaufmann schrieb am 10.09.2024 um 08:28:
> > > There are two ways to think about a Frame anchored to Page:
> > > 1) That its position is anchored relative to position on a page (for 
> > > example, Top Center), any page.
> > > 2) That its position is anchored to a /particular/ page (but may be 
> > > shifted on that page).
> >
> > It is a common mistake to think, that positioning frame/image/shape 
> > relative to page needs the anchor "page". Therefore this option is now 
> > hidden.
> >
> > > Writer seems to adopt the second sense, correct? That is, for example,
> > > if anchored on page 20 of 24, the frame will remain with page 20 even 
> > > if pages are inserted or deleted before page 20, correct?
> >
> > Yes. And that use case is very, very seldom. I do not know any example.
>
> Here is an example: A guidebook (for elections), which will probably be 
> 24 (or possibly 28) pages, containing seven /pairs/ of pages in which 
> each pair addresses one topic that is best displayed at a glance -- that 
> is, should be ideally on facing pages.

Then the first paragraph of the page has to specify a page break with 
the correct page style. For example the first paragraph of the left page 
of the pair defines a page break with page style "Left Page". Such 
paragraph could contain the topic of that section. The page style "Left 
Page" has set, that the following page has style "Right Page".

Then you anchor each frame (Why do you need frames?) to this paragraph. 
If you need a frame/image/shape on the right page, than the first 
paragraph of the right page needs an explicit page break with page style 
"Right Page". Then you can anchor the frame/image/shape to this paragraph.

You do this for all left/right pages pairs.

> [Election officials have this document only for election day, a 16-hour 
> day in which they need to be able to refer to the guidebook as occasions 
> warrant. Therefore the document should be quickly consulted, and should 
> lay out the issues with as much transparency and efficiency as possible. 
> Thus the guidebook makes liberal use of page-anchored frames. (As 
> currently laid out, those page pairs are 2-3, 6-7, 8-9, 12-13, 16-17, 
> 18-19, 22-23. Also, the front and back covers (first and last pages) 
> have fixed content, so the page scope is fixed on 16 of the 24 (or 28) 
> pages.) Changes in non-anchored content must not move the anchored 
> content.]

As long as the paragraph to which the frame is anchored does not move to 
another page, the position will stay at that page and will not change 
inside that page. You do not want to anchor to page, but define position 
relative to page.

Perhaps the discussion would be easier, if you sent me such file.

> Is that a fair use case?

So no, this is no use case, solution see above.

Kind regards,
Regina

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