Re: [libreoffice-users] Tab Bug?

Ooops, I once again accidentally sent my reply directly to the OP and not
to the list, sorry. At least this one is to the list.

Den tis 9 aug. 2022 kl 20:04 skrev Dave Liesse <dsliesse@liessefamily.net>:

> Using v7.3.4.2, so pretty well up to date.  Language is English (USA) and
> commas/decimals are set correctly.

Ok, great so far. :)


> Tab stops are .5 inches apart, so the numbers definitely overflow (seven
> digits plus commas, 11 point type).  However, in my expectations (a) right
> tabs should work the same as left tabs, regardless of length, and (b) in a
> word processing document I don't expect numbers to be treated any
> differently from plain text

I just tried that now in Writer with numbers and text. They both behave
exactly the same as far as I can tell (still LibreOffice 7.2.7.2). It seems
to adjust to the right and if the text or number is too long, it adjust to
the previous tab stop. I guess you could say that's an odd behaviour and
you could probably file a bug report and see if the developers agree, but
if there text at the previous tab stop, what would you want to happen?
Would you want the two numbers to overlap, displaying digits over each
other, or what?


-- except in the case of a decimal tab.  I'm using only whole numbers,
> though.
>
> I need the columns to overlap because of the nature of the report.
  I don't have space to have three 1.25-inch columns at the right edge of
> the page and the corresponding left tabs on the left side (this is a
> financial report with subaccounts).
>
> Similar problem in the spreadsheet, though it's more expected there.  I
> need the columns to be .5" wide, not wide enough to hold the whole number.
> Text would overflow into the cell on the right (if it's empty), and I hoped
> -- but didn't really expect -- numbers to do the same to the left.
>
> The problem is that I need numbers to line up properly in right-justified
> columns, without resorting to a fixed-space font (so the leading spaces are
> the same width) and using left tabs.

And you can't just increase the distance between each tab stop or decrease
the font size? Or maybe remove every second tab stop?


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


> Dave
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 5:19 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>
> Den tis 9 aug. 2022 kl 02:20 skrev Dave Liesse <dsliesse@liessefamily.net
> > :
>
> Hi, all.  It's been a long time since I've run into a problem of any
> significance, so posting here before I look up how to report a bug (partly
> to see if this really is one).
>
> In a Writer document, I have three Right tab stops set, to show staggered
> columns of numbers.  When I type a large number, though, with commas
> separating the thousands, the tab stop starts acting as a Decimal stop
> instead of Right.  For example, if I type 1,234,567 it acts as though the
> tab stop is a Decimal stop and the comma between the 4 and the 5 is a
> decimal point.  Might this be a bug?
>
>
> Tried with LibreOffice 7.2.7.2 and it only happen (kind of) when there are
> to many digits so it won't fit between two tab stops, so that's expected as
> far as I am concerned. It doesn't behave like a decimal tab, but rather it
> continues to the right because there's no other direction to continue.
>
> If you can give me an exact example when this happens (exactly how long
> the numbers are and at what exact positions you have your tab stops, and
> also what font and size of font you are using, as well as your language
> settings for the characters (right click text → Characters → Characters… →
> Font → Language). As far as I can see, in my own test, it behaves as I
> expect it to. I do something wrong and LibreOffice tries to do the best out
> of it.
>
>
>
> As a secondary note: I don't think this one is a bug, but it's certainly
> unexpected behavior.  Because I was in a hurry to get a report out to a
> client I tried the same numbers in a spreadsheet, again expecting the
> columns would be overlapping.  Numeric values, though, won't overflow the
> cell the way text does, even when the cell is specifically
> right-justified.  Again, I was in a hurry so I just entered all the numbers
> as text,
>
>
> How?
>
>
> but then had to do my own calculations to show totals (no biggie, since I
> would have had to do that anyway in the Writer document, but annoying in a
> spreadsheet).
>
> The question is really about the first item -- the second one is just a
> minor gripe.  Do y'all think this is a bug, or is there some rational
> reason the program should behave this way?
>
>
> I just tried this, again in LibreOffice 7.2.7.2, and I can not see
> anything unexpected about it:
>
>    1. I start with a blank sheet. No cell formats are changed at this
>    point.
>    2. I entered some text in C4. The text continues over D4 and a little
>    bit over E4.
>    3. I entered a very long number (12345678901234567890, so 20
>    characters long) in C5. It's displayed as 1,23457E+19, which is expected
>    (we use decimal comma in my country and language).
>    4. I entered the same long number in C6, but this time as text
>    ('12345678901234567890) and the whole number is displayed and continues
>    over D6, but you can't use it for calculations.
>    5. I entered the same long number, but this time with the cell
>    pre-formatted as text. The same thing happened as in 4.
>
> All these behaviours are expected and I really can't see why anything else
> should happen.
> The funny thing is that even the numbers I entered as text could be used
> in calculations. That surprised me a bit, because I don't think that was
> possible in LibreOffice Calc a couple of years ago, which makes me wonder
> what version you are running. If older than 7.2.7.2, update and test if the
> problem persists.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
>
>
>
> Dave
>
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