Re: [libreoffice-users] AltGr functionality

Den sön 16 juni 2019 kl 16:50 skrev Michael H <cmahte@gmail.com>:

> It's not just "the system." Your "keyboard setting" is a layered approach:
> BIOS, <- system kernel, <- startup daemons, <-display driver (x.org +
> Gnome, etc.) <- app. You need to work your way up the chain. Any keyboard
> setting at a higher level can override lower level settings. Also, you
> might check your mouse/pointer driver. Some mouse drivers can have traps on
> control keys.

Yes, that makes sense to me.
My feeling is that since it's not very common that people type characters
with keys like tab, enter, arrows etc, maybe this is just something that
the LibreOffice developers didn't think of. Maybe it's possible that this
can be ”fixed” somehow, but at the same time I have the feeling since I'm
probably the only one in the world who does this, the developers won't care.

Thanks for replying.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knugum@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > This is something that I've seen for years and I think it applies to
> > Apache
> > OpenOffice as well. Since I live in a country where English is not the
> > native language, my keyboard has this AltGr button, I think it's also
> > called the ”Right Alt key” (and the regular Alt key is referred to as the
> > ”Left Alt key”) in most of the operating systems I've used (currently
> > Manjaro, I switched from Ubuntu a couple of years ago). Since my alphabet
> > has 29 letters, there are too few keys for the characters @£${[]}\€, so
> > the
> > AltGr key is used for that, for instance AltGr+8 → [.
> >
> > This works perfectly in LibreOffice, no problems there, but it seems like
> > the AltGr key is disabled, overridden, in some situations, for instance in
> > combination with the arrow keys, so Alt+← has the exact same effect as
> > just
> > the ← key by itself.
> >
> > Do anyone here happen to know why? ←→↓↑ are just keys, like k, c and f.
> >
> > The reason I ask is that I use my own keyboard layout to make it more
> > intuitive to type some characters that are normally not on a keyboard, so
> > I
> > rearranged the original layout a bit. Almost every key now can type a
> > character with AltGr, in combination with Shift or not. A few examples:
> > AltGr+[Enter] → ↵
> > AltGr+Shift+[Enter] → ¶
> > AltGr+[Tab] → ⇥
> > AltGr+Shift+[Tab] → ⇤
> > AltGr+[Backspace] → ⌫
> > AltGr+Shift+[Backspace] → ⌦
> > AltGr+↑ → ↑ (the ↑ character, not the ”move to the line above” feature)
> > and more.
> >
> > Anyway, since the AltGr key seems disabled in combination with these keys,
> > I can't type those arrows and things I just mentioned in LibreOffice,
> > unless I place them at other keys in my layout, but that would be less
> > intuitive (why would AltGr+i be a →? It is on my native default keyboard
> > layout, but that doesn't make much sense, does it?).
> >
> > I mean it's 2019, Unicode has been along for decades and we should be able
> > to use it with ease, right? I know there are workarounds, like
> > auto-correction and external programs like AutoKey (which I recommend, by
> > the way, but only install the latest version; the version in Ubuntu's
> > repositories for instance, is very outdated and doesn't work properly).
> >
> > Also, do you think that writing a bug report about this would lead to
> > anything good? I suspect I will get something like ”don't make your own
> > keyboard layouts, you moron” in reply at best.
> >
> > Thanks for listening.
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnny Rosenberg
> >
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