Re: [libreoffice-users] Shortcut changes

James E Lang wrote:
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> users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 6:40 Subject: Re:
> [libreoffice-users] Shortcut changes
>
> James E. Lang wrote:
> > I am not a user of Base but I am a frequent user of Calc. Shortcut
> > changes are extremely disruptive for users. My least favorite (most
> > detested!!) such change occurred in version 4.4 of Calc when
> > Alt+E,I was assigned to a brand new menu item in place of "Fill."
>
> That one has caught me out a few times in Calc; I've even lost work
> because of it a few times. Alt+E, I, D used to fill down. Now it
> reopens the file in read-only edit mode,
>
> [I also used to use Alt+E, I, R; Alt+E, I, L; or Alt+E, I, U to fill
> right, left, or up respectively. Read-only edit mode sounds to me
> like a self contradictory phrase  -- jl]

That's probably just my bad phrasing, in attempting to keep it short. 
The action is actually to toggle "Edit Mode", where turning off "Edit 
Mode" reloads the file read-only.

> [and having it activated instead of
> fill is certainly disruptive. -- jl]
>
> without saving changes (it does prompt, but the final D selects
> "Don't Save") Yes, I know there's also Ctrl+D to fill down, but for
> some reason I'm used to Alt+E, I, D and automatically type that.
>
> If they wanted to use Alt+E, I for Edit Mode, I don't really see why
> it couldn't have been done the same as in other menus where several
> options share the same letter. e.g. in Calc Alt+I brings up the
> insert menu, then H selects between "Hyperlink" and "Headers and
> Footers" and you have to press Enter on the one you want.
>
> [That seems like a reasonable suggestion. -- jl]
>
> For what it's worth, the problem of changing shortcuts is not unique
> to LibreOffice. In MS Outlook 2003, Ctrl+S saved a draft of an email,
> while in Outlook 2007 Ctrl+S sent it without any further
> confirmation. Fortunately I never accidentally sent anything more
> embarrassing than a half-finished response as a result (at least, I
> don't think I did...)
>
> [I repeat that changing shortcuts disrupts user productivity
> regardless who does it: MS or LO.  -- jl]

I agree. Particularly when the new action can be destructive (reloading 
without saving) and/or irreversible (sending an email).

> [I hope developers are taking
> notice. I don't know whether any of them lurk (or even actively
> participate) on this users list. If not then I hope someone harvests
> ideas from this list and summarizes them for the developers. I think
> a bug report might be overkill but maybe not. Does anyone care to
> weigh in on this? -- jl]

Ah, according to bug 93326 comment 8:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93326#c8
and comment 10:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93326#c10
Alt+E, I was changed back to Fill in versions 4.4.6 and 5.0.1, with 
Alt+E, D for Edit Mode.

Can anyone confirm that? I'm still on 4.4.2; must upgrade sometime...

Mark.


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