Hi :) As you've probably noticed this mailing list often pulls in at least 2, often surprisingly opposite directions. * Technical Support * User Support Often those who do an excellent job near the extremes of one find themselves infuriated by those who work near the extreme of the other. I tend to aim at "User Support" but i am painfully aware that i often fail at this. I aim to stand-up for individuals, especially new ones because they often bring in new ways that might well succeed where current or old strategies may have failed at some old problems. Again i'm aware that i often fail at this and that it's often even back-fired somewhat painfully. So i like the community here on this list and i like it that this mailing list's unique community sometimes has a different viewpoint than the other mailing lists. I've also been very impressed by people who came in here thinking they knew nothing but then found their way into other teams, such as Marketing, Design, Documentation, QA, List-Moderators or/and just ended up helping people here. TDF needs people who can't code to help in the many other things that need to be done. Even QA can usefully do with more non-coders and not just for admin type roles. Each of us could probably find some other team where we could help TDF quite a bit with surprisingly little effort. Also each of us could probably find a niche in one of the other teams where we get a lot of reward and satisfaction - maybe even learn quite a bit in the process. Many people here already do so. Some tried out a few different teams before finding somewhere they felt most comfortable. Some are still on many other teams. Some liaise between different projects, such as between us and the Caligra Office Suite (a fork of KOffice). Regards from Tom :) On 11 October 2015 at 15:40, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi :) +1 Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at times i have a lot of respect for the technical support Andreas gives and also for his links to or suggestions of other places that give good support. He is a classic example of someone who works in both communities. Not all have the same attitude (of course) but his way has a lot of energy about it, which is not always easy to be comfortable with, but his way does seem to be an effective driving force at times. I really like Zen-Wiz's script that does the same job as Andreas' command-line. Instead of having to type in the same commands each time you would just double-click on the script file. If the script is not already in the "Extensions" library; https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extensions/ then i hope he is is generous enough to add it in. It is not really an Extension as such but having a 3rd "App Store" type of place might be tricky to arrange. I keep meaning to add his script to the wiki-page; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux if that hasn't been done already and i hope it gets added to the relevant page on the official website too - preferably as both a downloadable file and as just plain text on the page itself. I'm fairly sure ZenWiz would be happy with that but it would be nice to know that we can do that and use the Creative Commons CC-by-SA or similar license (such as LGPL or MPL) so that people can modify and re-release in other places as well as just using it. Wrt the 3 "package managers" you named; The Software Centre, Synaptic and "apt-get" - Yes they are 3 ways of doing the same thing. Each has it's own advantages. The 2 Gui ways are easier for point&click users. The Software Centre is good for installing entire programs that consist of many parts; such as LibreOffice, MegaGlest, Wesnoth and so on. Synaptic and "apt-get" are better for adding individual add-ons, extra libraries for extra functionality, codecs, specific fonts, command-line tools. Apt-get has commands to clean and remove temp files created when downloading and installing things. Synaptic and "The Software Centre" actually use "apt-get" to do a lot of their work but they 'just' put a prettier face on it to make it easier for point&click users. Ok, they often do a lot more than that but it's the easiest way of thinking about it. So i might use The Software Centre to install LibreOffice, a camera and Gimp - then turn to Synaptic to add extra features and fonts - and then use "apt-get" to clear all the cruft away. I could probably do the whole job from any 1 of them but this way i have used each package-manager for what it does best. Regards from Tom :) On 11 October 2015 at 14:11, Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> wrote:Setting aside the discussion that followed, I would like to thank Andreas for his explanation of installing Debian packages from the command line. I've been using Ubuntu for about a year now, and I've learned how to use the Software Center and Synaptic as well as the "sudo apt-get..." commands, which I sense are just three different ways of doing the same thing. Beyond that, however, I've never learned how to install a Debian package without using the PPAs. Thank you Andreas for this explanation. You've expanded my knowledge of Linux. And after upgrading my Windows partition from 7 to 10 with less than satisfactory results, my reliance upon Linux is only that much greater. Virgil On 10/09/2015 05:58 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:And this is the non-PPA way of installing an archive of Debian packages downloaded from libreoffice.org as described and supported on all OpenOffice support forums since the days of OpenOffice2:cd ~/DownloadsIf you downloaded the md5 checksum file as well, you can check the integrity of your downloaded archive: md5sum --check <text file with check sums>Extract the downloaded archive: tar -xvzf downloaded_package.tar.gzor use your graphical file manager to unpack the archive. I don't know any way to do the following with a graphical tool: go to the extracted directory of debian packages which depends on the langauge version. In case of en-US: cd en-US/DEBSInstall the packages as root: sudo dpkg -i *.debThis installs/updates the whole suite to /opt and you can start the fully featured program by calling the executable file /opt/libreofficeX.Y/program/soffice For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package go to subdir of en-US/DEBS: cd desktop-integrationand start a simulated installation sudo dpkg -i --simulate *.debThis simulation _may_ fail due to a conflict with /usr/bin/soffice which is a symlink pointing to the executable and belonging to the installation package of some other ODF suite. If no such error is reported, re-run the command without the --simulate switch. In case of conflict, it is safe to overwrite this single symlink file /usr/bin/soffice: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.debNow you have LibreOffice and its components in your Ubuntu dash and/or menues. ODF files will be opened by default with your new suite. As far as I know, "desktop integration" can be installed for one version of OpenOffice and LibreOffice in parallel. There were times when I had 5 different versions of both suites in parallel but only one Open and one Libre Office can have the "desktop integration" and only one particular suite can own the /usr/bin/soffice symlink. You are free to modify this symlink as needed but your package managers is very picky about the ownership of every single system file outside your home directory. Every single file installed remotely via apt or locally via dpkg belongs to exactly one software package. As long as this symlink is the only conflict, I think it is perfectly OK to use the --force-overwrite switch. Any additional language and help packages can be installed in the same simple way: 0. run md5sum -check <text file> to check the integrity 1. extract .tar.gz with tar -xzvf ... or the graphical way 2. change to the extracted directory, subdir DEBS 3. sudo dpkg -i *deb They refuse to install if their version does not match with any installed office suite.-- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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