Thanks, please see below.
On 2015-10-21 10:45, Regina Henschel wrote:
It is working well, but if that is by mistake or a bug then I should fix
it before the bug is fixed.
Steve Edmonds schrieb:
I'm about to show my ignorance here, what is Tools > Outline Numbering
for. The help and Writer guide a a bit brief.
For years I have been creating manuals with a layout
1.1.1 etc. where these items are all in the table of contents.
Last night I change the style of Heading 4 and looked a bit deeper and I
find I am using Heading styles 1-4
That is the easiest way. That are the styles which are used as default
in the outline levels.
with Numbering style 1.
That is a wrong combination.
They are set to Number = none, Character style = none, show sublevel =
empty, separators empty, start at 1.
When I look at Outline Numbering it sets the paragraph style for each
outline level but there are no position and spacing or number and
character style set.
?? Goto Tools > Outline Numbering > Tab Numbering.
In the center of that dialog page I see under Paragraph style the items:
Number, !! *Character style* , Show sublevel, Separator Before and
After, Start at
And on the next tab, the tab Position I see the items:
Aligned at, Numbering alignment, Numbering followed by, ..at, ..Indent at
What do you miss?
Position is all 0.00
Oh, thanks. I think I see what happens. As my heading is in outline
numbering, but numbering is set to none, I don't see the list-numbering
hides the heading-numbering.
These are all set in the paragraph and numbering
The numbering styles have similar settings because the appearance is
similar. They use the same technical means. But the effect on the
paragraph to which they were assigned is different. The outline
numbering dialog connects a paragraph style to an outline level. The
resulting element is text:h, the numbering style produces a list with
an element text:list for the whole list, and text:list-item for each
item of the list. You can easily look at this technical part, when you
save the document in flat format (.fodt) and look at the end of the
document where you find <office:body>.
When you now assign a numbering style to a heading, then you get a
nesting. You generate a list, which has a list item, which contains a
heading. Because the list-item is the outer one, the list-numbering
hides the heading-numbering.
Thanks. This has helped clarify things. Possibly this is related to
another irregularity that I have noticed but need to investigate further.
If I have a heading style in outline numbering (Heading 2) and change to
a custom style (HeadingM2) to remove it from outline numbering, it
leaves a blank item in outline numbering shown in the navigator and
Insert-reference. The paragraph shows correctly as HeadingM2 but if I
right click clear direct formatting it removes the blank line. When I
double click the blank line in the navigator it takes me to the custom
HeadingM2. Could this happen if my custom style inherits from Heading 2,
it in fact inherits some outline characteristics although I don't know
why clear direct formatting fixes that.
Most cases, where users see curious behavior in numbering is because
of this mixing. Avoid it!
How does Tools > Outline Numbering do more than assign a paragraph style
to an outline level, do the settings in Tools > Outline Numbering over
ride the styles or vis versa.
There is more to know about outline numbering. You can determine an
arbitrary paragraph style to be a outline paragraph style without
using the Tools > Outline Numbering dialog. It is the setting
"Outline" in the tab Outline&Numbering in the paragraph style dialog.
This setting is only disabled for those styles, which are assigned via
Tools > Outline Numbering. You can use this for example for an
appendix, which should be in the normal level hierarchy, but out of
the normal numbering sequence.
To get such additional heading numbered you need to connect this
heading style with a numbering style, done on the same dialog page.
Notice, this connecting is different from assigning a numbering style
to a paragraph. It does not produce a list.
In normal cases you should use the Tools > Outline Numbering way. The
additional benefit of it is, that when you change the level by promote
or demote in the Navigator, then the heading changes automatically its
style. That is possible, because Tools > Outline Numbering contains
the complete list of which level is assigned to which paragraph style
and because there exists exactly one such connection.
If you change the level of a heading, which has a self-made heading
style, then the heading gets the new level as hard formatting of the
paragraph, but the style remains the same. You would need to manually
assign a self-made style for the new level to keep level and style
In principle, it is quite simple: Use Tools>Outline Numbering for
headings and use the list styles like "Numbering 1" for true lists and
do not mix them. That avoids a lot of trouble.
This same problem of having to clear direct formatting to display a
style occurs elsewhere. I have a style mytext (with regular font) and a
style mytextItalic (with italic font). If I write a paragraph with style
mytext and then highlight and change to mytextItalic, the text does not
change to italic until I clear direct formatting.
When a style inherits from another style but you change say the font (to
italic) is that considered direct formatting.
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