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Hi :)
Ahh, of course!  The direct formatting remained "on" despite pressing Enter
a few times.  Seems a sensible way to do it thb.  If formatting kept
flicking back to the style rather than kept going the way the user had set
it then it could become quite painful.

When i went back to the file and used;
Format - "Clear direct formatting"
the heading 3 became bold again - although the light greyness made that
difficult to see.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 12 September 2014 07:38, Owen Genat <> wrote:

jmadero wrote
Are styles supposed to retain properties like "bold." I am consistently
getting mixed results using styles.

The comments up-thread by Kevin O'Brien and Brian Barker are correct,
despite a number of disagreements. So called "direct" or "manual" (directly
applied) formatting will always override a pre-defined style definition
e.g., a character or paragraph style. In LibreOffice "direct formatting"
(which is a Microsoft Office term) is equivalent to any style definition in
content.xml, rather than styles.xml (which is where pre-defined styles are

I have already commented in the bug report raised by Joel (which has since
been closed as NOTABUG), but it seems that this principle of overriding
styles is not well understood. Both ISO/IEC 26300 (ODF, Part 1, §16) and
ISO/IEC 29500:2012 (OOXML Part 1, §17.7.2) define a hierarchy of
for styles. In both specifications what amounts to directly applied
formatting[1] are the last to be applied and so act as an override (which
to be expected, otherwise clicking toolbar formatting buttons AFTER
a style would have no effect). This can however result in apparently
surreptitious behaviour that is at the root of why style adherents tend to
loath directly applied formatting i.e., it interfers with the effective
application of pre-defined styles.

If others would like me to expand on what was occurring in the example
document in greater detail for clarity I will. In simple terms there was a
direct formatting character definition (style T9 in content.xml) setting
both the font style and font weight to normal. This definition was
overriding the equivalent settings in any subsequently applied paragraph
style definition that used a weight of bold (for example Heading 3).

[1] In OOXML these tend to be paragraph or run properties that are not from
styles, while in ODF the determination is obtained by following the
child-parent chain in style definitions.

Best wishes, Owen.

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