Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

I don't know the cars in question, so maybe that specific case is
different. But in my general experience, when two car models are sold,
the only reason the older one is still sold is because they have unsold
vehicles that they need to get rid of, so they offer them at a lower
price, and the only reason to get an older model is because it is
cheaper. There is *no* other reason, unless parts are different, in
which case the older model's parts are usually cheaper as well,
although sometimes the reverse is true. The older one is in no way
safer, usually the reverse.

In the case of Office 2011 vs. 2013, again, I haven't bought Office for
so long I don't know the specifics, but I would be very surprised if
price wasn't the only reason the older software was still sold. In most
cases where a new version like that is brought out, the older version
is due to be retired pretty soon. Unless there is a specific feature or
compatability issue, in which case it is (or should be) clearly stated
to potential buyers.

Paul


On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:16:53 +0200
"Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello Tom,
>
> First, both Nino and Sophie's answers are really good. Mine was just 
> trying to be simple and short.
> I think, just like Sophie suggested, that you are still thinking
> along the "stable-unstable" pattern.
>
> My answer, by the way, does not contraddict Nino or Sophie. Let me
> take two -already used- examples to show you there is no
> contradiction.
>
> MS Office 2011 and MS Office 2013. Both are stable. Both are still up 
> for sale. What's the real difference? More features in MS Office
> 2013, sure. But both are stable. However 2011 gets more patches, is
> more tested than Office 2013 (in this case users both pay and get to
> be "guinea pigs").
>
> Second example: Chevrolet Impala 2013 and 2011. What's the
> difference? Well, there are a few cosmetic changes, perhaps one or
> two equipment that changed; maybe a few more liveries available, but
> there's also been a set of optimized industrial manufacturing
> processes that have been improved between 2012 and 2013. Note: both
> are "stable", aka. fit to have millions of people driving these cars.
> Are these drivers guinea-pigs? Yes in a sense. I challenge you to
> find any sort of distribution process of manufactured good, service,
> software, where uers or customers are not guinea pigs in one way or
> another; Free Software is just really transparent and honest about
> it, because after all, you're not paying for anything when using it.
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Charles.
>
>
> Le 06.08.2014 11:38, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > Hi :)
> > This seems to contradict what both Charles and what Florian
> > Reisinger were
> > saying.
> >
> >
> > It does seem to make more sense though.  It kinda explains why
> > people might
> > prefer one branch or the other one, which was very unclear from
> > Charles and
> > Florian's posts.
> >
> > It also kinda explains the graphic on the;
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
> > page, although that graphic doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  Do 
> > other
> > people understand it?  There used to be a neat little graph which
> > kinda boggled the eyes at first but began to make sense after
> > staring at it for a
> > while.
> >
> > The bit about "master branch" was a bit beyond me but suggested an 
> > answer
> > to the older thread about how bug-fixes added to the older branch 
> > manage to
> > get into the newer branch.  Still i am sure i am not the only one 
> > confused
> > by such a thing.
> >
> >
> > So Nino's answer suggests that some people might prefer the branch
> > that has
> > matured because by that time it is more stable.  So releases with a 
> > higher
> > 3rd digit are more mature, more stable and less likely to have 
> > problems.
> > The only downside is that you get less features.
> >
> > Then it also makes sense that people would often prefer to use the 
> > younger,
> > less mature branch even though it hasn't had as many bug-fixes
> > added to it.
> >
> >
> > However this seems to contradict what Charles was saying about both
> > branches being fully stable.  So which is wrong?
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 August 2014 09:42, Nino Novak <nn.libo@kflog.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 06.08.2014 07:29, schrieb Pikov Andropov:
> > > > Florian Reisinger wrote on 8/6/2014 1:22 AM:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > The problem we have: We do not have one release branch as
> > > > > Firefox has,
> > > we have two... Users should use and find bugs on the "Fresh"
> > > version in
> > > order to make thee fresh, which will be renamed to stable after 6M.
> > > > > So how to say "you can use the feature packed fresh"? It is not
> > > > > an RC
> > > it is an tested final release....
> > > > > So yes, we have a different model, so we need different names
> > > > > then the
> > > standard :)
> > > > What are the differences between the two branches?
> > >
> > > The younger one (fresh) has been forked later from the master 
> > > development
> > > branch. Therefore it obviously has more features.
> > >
> > > But as it is younger, it is less "mature" than the earlier (still) 
> > > branch.
> > >
> > > If you look into each branch separately, the branch goes through
> > > the well
> > > known states (alpha, beta, RC, final) for its first release (the 
> > > x.y.0),
> > > but
> > > then keeps iterating through several additional (bugfix) releases, 
> > > from
> > > x.y.1 to x.y.6 in most cases. So each branch individually gains
> > > increasingly
> > > bugfreeness during its individual
> > >
> > > Nino
> > >
> > >
> > >
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