Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB Galera Cluster 10.0.12 GA and MariaDB 10.1.0 Alpha now available

HSQLDB has been replaced by Firebird...

Best,

Charles.

Le Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:14:02 +0100,
Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi :)
> No, the problem is much larger, as Owen states.
>
> Data-loss is a very serious issue, especially in a database!!
>
> Of course documentation tries to keep things as simple as possible!
> Learning just enough about databases in order to create one is FAR
> more difficult than learning just enough to use Writer/Word or
> Calc/Excel.  It is POSSIBLE to create a database using the internal
> back-end and from there the tables can be moved into a back-end if
> you are not happy about losing data.
>
>
> The version of HsqlDb that is used as a back-end right now is NOT a
> fair representation of HsqlDb itself.  The one in the back-end
> doesn't update and was heavily tweaked.  It is NOT just because it's
> dependant  on Java.
>
> People who get the proper HsqlDb from it's own project's website and
> use it as an external back-end tend to report seeing a vast
> improvement in quality and none of the problems the internal one has.
>
> When all the tweaks were put in place it was probably due to pressure
> to force Base to act in a way it wasn't originally designed to be
> used in order to be as limited as MS Access.
>
>
> LO devs are working at replacing the in-built one with a more pure
> version of something else.  Presumably this time making it easier to
> upgrade. Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 5 July 2014 18:06, Dale Erwin <dale.erwin@casaerwin.org> wrote:
>
> > On 7/4/2014 11:40 PM, Owen Genat wrote:
> >
> > > NoOp wrote
> > >
> > > > On 07/04/2014 12:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > There are a few reasons;
> > > > > *  Base needs an external back-end but most new users wont be
> > > > > aware of that
> > > > Interesting. I never knew that Base "needs an external
> > > > back-end"... Perhaps you can get the documentation folks to add
> > > > that to the help files and the Base docs
> > > This will be unlikely to happen in the short term as the so-called
> > > "split" configuration is considered to be for experts only. The
> > > idea behind the "embedded" configuration (i.e., a database
> > > back-end inside an ODF container)
> > > was developed to mask some of the database back-end detail and for
> > > portability. While simpler, the embedded configuration is reported
> > > as suffering greater data loss / corruption issues, due to the
> > > nature of the packaging.
> > >
> > > There are numerous threads over on the Apache OO forum about
> > > problems with the embedded configuration. There is also a lengthy
> > > and detailed discussion
> > > about  Base / ODF container portability
> > > <http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/7876>   that provides several
> > > links to
> > > the mentioned Apache OO forum threads. Summary: In order for a
> > > "split" configuration to become more widespread it would be ideal
> > > for some sort of pack-n-go facility to be developed for Base to
> > > allow greater portability of
> > > data in a manner more in keeping with office documents.
> >
> > I thought Base had HSQLDB built into it, but COULD use a different
> > back end if desired.  The only drawback I can see to using HSQLDB
> > is that it needs to be accessed from a Java environment.  I have
> > used standalone HSQLDB in Java apps and found it to be very robust
> > and surprisingly fast in light of the fact that Java is an
> > interpreted language.
> >
> > Dale Erwin
> >
> >
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